Arian's "Atheism" | Split From "My Lord, I'm an Atheist"

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Arian, certain aspects of your posts sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses.  Are you a JW, or do you have any affiliation with them?

[arian (Banned)]

Arian, certain aspects of your posts sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses.  Are you a JW, or do you have any affiliation with them?

No my friend, but I do agree with about 75% of what they believe from the Bible, as I do with the Seventh Day Adventists. A lot of good messages can be found in the Baptist religion also.

It is too bad that they all have accepted a theistic god or gods, and allow some self proclaimed Prophet of theirs reinterpret the rest of the 25% of the Bible for them.

Kind of 'so close, yet still so far'. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, and they all blindly follow him. Sad.

Nope, ... I'm an atheist, I don't believe in their god or gods, nor their religions. HE is all I need, and Jesus is the only way. The Bible explains it all.

Why, were you one of them?

[xSilverPhinx]

You intrigue me. So you call yourself a bible believing atheist because you don't believe that Jesus was a god? ???

[Whitney]

arian, I don't see a point in trying to clear anything up for you because no matter what I say you are going to twist it into me persecuting your in some way.  It's not like you are the only theist (no, I don't care what you think you are) on these boards; one just addressed you in this thread....ask one of them to explain the rules to you.  You'll have to actually read through the forum to figure out who some of the theists are (unless they choose to approach you).

[Firebird]

Arian, certain aspects of your posts sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses.  Are you a JW, or do you have any affiliation with them?

Nope, ... I'm an atheist, I don't believe in their god or gods, nor their religions. HE is all I need, and Jesus is the only way.

No, you're a theist. You refer to a higher being, and then you refer to Jesus as a higher being of some sort too. Either you know this, which is offensive, or you really believe in your flawed logic, which is scary.
You are not discussing, you are preaching. We have pointed out to you multiple times why we disagree, and you fall back to bible verse. Bible verse is not a valid argument. There is no empirical evidence behind what you say. Your circular reasoning of "because the bible says so" is a weak one.
I hope someday you get it. Please open your eyes a bit and think before you speak again

[arian (Banned)]

arian, I don't see a point in trying to clear anything up for you because no matter what I say you are going to twist it into me persecuting your in some way.  It's not like you are the only theist (no, I don't care what you think, you are) on these boards; one just addressed you in this thread....ask one of them to explain the rules to you.  You'll have to actually read through the forum to figure out who some of the theists are (unless they choose to approach you).

Quote: "It's not like you are the only theist (no, I don't care what you think, you are"

Yes maam, anything you say maam.

May I join your 'freethinkers' society? Maybe there you will allow me to express myself and let 'me' be 'me'?

[arian (Banned)]

Arian, certain aspects of your posts sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses.  Are you a JW, or do you have any affiliation with them?

Nope, ... I'm an atheist, I don't believe in their god or gods, nor their religions. HE is all I need, and Jesus is the only way.

No, you're a theist. You refer to a higher being, and then you refer to Jesus as a higher being of some sort too. Either you know this, which is offensive, or you really believe in your flawed logic, which is scary.

Bible-God, or 'He that Is' is not a being, but a 'source of being'. The Son of God is a begotten being, superior to all other beings.
The theistic gods are 'supernatural beings', who are actually demonic spirits, it is Satan and his angels. The dieties created by religions are real demonic beings, which the religious form idols of and think they are real gods. Our Creator is not jelous of those idols, no, He is jelous of our belief in such nonesence. If youyou provided for your kids all their lives and they went in the back yard every time you gave them something, and they bowed down before a pine-tree and and start thanking it for all you have done for them, you'd get jelous too.

You are not discussing, you are preaching. We have pointed out to you multiple times why we disagree, and you fall back to bible verse. Bible verse is not a valid argument. There is no empirical evidence behind what you say. Your circular reasoning of "because the bible says so" is a weak one.
I hope someday you get it. Please open your eyes a bit and think before you speak again

But you are not preaching?
Not only that, but you are trying to 'indoctrinate me' with your beliefs that the Bible might not be real, and even useless as far as information value. You are trying to make me 'believe' that all books are OK, except the Bible, yet there are more Bibles out there than any other book??? Please, ... I will NOT obey your trickery. I have left religion behind me and not you or anyone here will force me back into it again. I am an atheist and I refuse to listen to some divination of lies. You may believe' what you want and follow that 'belief' religiously for all I care, just don't try to indoctrinate me with it.

Please, this is what I ran away from, those so called Christians trying to indoctrinate me, .. and now see here, it's getting worse than there!

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here? ... any, ... oh yea, ... I was told to help myself. Thanks.

[Asmodean]

Have I fallen? Help me up.

Sorry, what?!

Have you fallen? Get up, brush off the dust and move on. Don't wait for a stranger to assist you.

LOL, ... boy you sure are a 'Happy Atheist' Asmodean.

Yes, ... I do get up, .. pop my joints back in place and I go onward. Asking someone to help me just made it worse, even slowed me down ... especially that  look on their faces when they heard the 'pop' noise.

Thank you.

Happy? Me? I sure as shit aint sad at the moment, although happy might be pushing it. 

Knowing when to ask for help is useful - vital even; but asking for help with every scrape and bruise... Why?

That's my point.

[Too Few Lions]

The theistic gods are 'supernatural beings', who are actually demonic spirits, it is Satan and his angels.

Arian, you clearly have no idea what atheism is. You're not an atheist, as every atheist on this forum is telling you. To me, you're clearly a Christian, prove to me you're not. I asked you before and you declined to answer, please answer me now. In what way do your beliefs differ from those of Christians? I see no difference.

You appear to hold the same ridiculous intolerant beliefs that led to the brutal suppression and persecution of non-Christians in Europe from the fourth century onwards, that all the other gods apart from yours are 'actually demonic spirits, it is Satan and his angels'. That's a very unpleasant and dangerous mindset that has led to countless thousands being murdered and forcibly converted to Christianity in the past.

The fact that you also seem to believe that myths like Adam and Eve represent historical reality suggest to me that your kind of Christianity is the sort that prevailed in the Dark Ages. Thankfully, the rest of the world has moved on from those ignorant times.  

[Recusant]

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here? ... any, ... oh yea, ... I was told to help myself. Thanks.

Though I call myself an infidel, as you will note on the left of this post, I qualify as an atheist as well, due to my lack of belief in a god or gods of any kind.

I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply to my latest post addressed to you in this thread. (It's conveniently linked, in case you happened to miss it, arian.)

I will however offer you a little help with a simple and easy to understand logical sequence. It won't hurt my feelings if you ignore both the post referred to above, and the following piece of logic. I understand that sometimes when people face something that they can't cope with, they simply choose to ignore it.

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1. Atheists do not believe in the existence of a god or gods of any kind; no exceptions.

2. A certain person believes in the existence of what he chooses to call a "non-theistic God."

3. That certain person is not an atheist, despite his repeated insistence that he is.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is that the sort of help you were looking for, arian? Do you understand the logical sequence above? If not, please clarify for me what help you are looking for, or what you don't understand in the sequence. I'd hate for an honest and sincere person such as yourself to think that he couldn't get any help here.

Maybe you will have to invent a new term to describe yourself accurately. One suggestion: "Non-religious believer in the Bible God."

I have not yet completely discounted the possibility that you are sincerely trying to communicate your ideas, arian. The thing is, communication entails both parties understanding and agreeing on the terms being used. If I were to describe for you a technique in carpentry, and began by telling you, "First, measure the length of the zucchini and cut it precisely in half," you might question whether I were talking about carpentry at all. If I am talking about carpentry, when I say "zucchini," am I talking about a 2x4 or a sheet of plywood? Do you see what the problem is, arian? You're trying to tell us about your thoughts, and have said that you're trying to teach. Yet you start by (in figurative terms) calling a piece of wood a vegetable. If I were trying to tell a group of people about carpentry, yet insisted that wood is actually an edible vegetable, they would be justified in questioning my intent, my definition, and the reliability of my information, no matter how skilled in carpentry I happen to be.

[Guardian85]

You call yourself an atheist. You don't consider yourself a christian, but you do believe in the god of the bible. 

It is quite possible that you don't conform with any of the presently existing christian sects, which is fine, but since you do believe that there is a god (any version of a god) you are certainly NOT an atheist.
Understand this: If you believe in the existence of a deiety of any kind or form, you are a theist. Perhaps not a christian or a Jehowas Witness, or a jew, or any other lable of religion, but certainly a theist.

[Whitney]

May I join your 'freethinkers' society?

you are not a freethinker either.

[xSilverPhinx]

You've ignored my last posts as well, which just leaves me fired up to keep pushing.

I'm still confused as to why you keep calling yourself an atheist, though your description of your beliefs do not fit that label. ??? As has been said repeatedly, 'atheism' is an umbrella statement for people who hold no beliefs in any gods whatsoever (not just atheistic gods), not even any god not yet thought up by people. Though most of us are open to evidence, no evidence has ever been put forth. It's pure skepticism, not close-mindeness.

Ecurb posted a link some time ago about a guy named Marcion who said that the god of the OT was different from the god of the NT. Are you thinking about something along those lines, but pertaining to the entire bible?

You're an odd one, that's for sure...

[Firebird]

Arian, certain aspects of your posts sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses.  Are you a JW, or do you have any affiliation with them?

Nope, ... I'm an atheist, I don't believe in their god or gods, nor their religions. HE is all I need, and Jesus is the only way.

No, you're a theist. You refer to a higher being, and then you refer to Jesus as a higher being of some sort too. Either you know this, which is offensive, or you really believe in your flawed logic, which is scary.

Bible-God, or 'He that Is' is not a being, but a 'source of being'. The Son of God is a begotten being, superior to all other beings.
The theistic gods are 'supernatural beings', who are actually demonic spirits, it is Satan and his angels. The dieties created by religions are real demonic beings, which the religious form idols of and think they are real gods. Our Creator is not jelous of those idols, no, He is jelous of our belief in such nonesence. If youyou provided for your kids all their lives and they went in the back yard every time you gave them something, and they bowed down before a pine-tree and and start thanking it for all you have done for them, you'd get jelous too.

You are not discussing, you are preaching. We have pointed out to you multiple times why we disagree, and you fall back to bible verse. Bible verse is not a valid argument. There is no empirical evidence behind what you say. Your circular reasoning of "because the bible says so" is a weak one.
I hope someday you get it. Please open your eyes a bit and think before you speak again

But you are not preaching?
Not only that, but you are trying to 'indoctrinate me' with your beliefs that the Bible might not be real, and even useless as far as information value. You are trying to make me 'believe' that all books are OK, except the Bible, yet there are more Bibles out there than any other book??? Please, ... I will NOT obey your trickery. I have left religion behind me and not you or anyone here will force me back into it again. I am an atheist and I refuse to listen to some divination of lies. You may believe' what you want and follow that 'belief' religiously for all I care, just don't try to indoctrinate me with it.

You are twisting my words, as usual. Nowhere did I say "all book are OK except the Bible". There are plenty of other books I disagree with (the Koran, Dianetics, anything by Sarah Palin, etc). I said the bible has no empirical evidence behind it. If I'm wrong, show me where. If you can't, then I say it's not a basis for fact. I apply that standard to anything I read. You apparently do not.
Crying "indoctrination!" is a cop-out. You are the one who put forth an argument (that you are an atheist and there's really some form of "god" or higher being based on stories from the bible) and I am arguing that you are wrong. Instead of debating why you think I'm wrong, you accuse me of indoctrination to try and distract from the fact that you have no counter-argument.

Anyway, this has been fun, but I've had enough. Come back when you have some evidence to back up your claims.

[pytheas]

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here?

Arian
I recommend you seek professional help