Christianity is a test for Jews

[Gawen]

Jesus-God causes the eternal damnation of God's chosen people (which is a contradiction in itself). I think the general thought is that the Jews caused their own damnation by rejecting Jesus, who supposedly did away with the Law. Well, whatever the Jews nature, sinful or not, it did not require belief in a Jesus-God before or after He arrived. And according to Christians, the coming of Jesus meant eternal damnation for the Jews (and all unbelievers), but this assumes Jesus-God knew what he was doing.

The Jews sinful nature was taken care of by temple sacrifices. Jesus' sacrifice is a once only event that allegedly supersedes the Jewish "sacrifice-as-you-go-for-eternity" arrangement. Jesus' coming brings Hell with him and a method of escape. The Jews needed no escape as there is no Hell in Judaism. It would be like Christian European settlers offering Native Americans smallpox vaccinations saying "Native Americans are going to die of smallpox anyway and at least we offered the vaccine." Actually, the analogy is better intended in that Native Americans would not have gotten small pox if the Europeans hadn't brought it with them. The difference is that Jesus knew he had brought the disease along with the encroachers.

Looking at it this way, Jesus brings the disease AND the cure. If the Jews couldn't accept the change supposedly brought by Jesus and Jesus knew this, then Jesus had in mind to damn His chosen people which is pretty much what the hate-monger Martin Luther said. The problem with this, of course, is that it shows not only the failure of the chosen people to accept Jesus, but the failure of Jesus-God to get something HE claimed to have wanted.

Hmm...so Jesus came to damn all people of the world except believers. Had he not come then Jews would not have needed to escape. If Jesus comes, then those Jews that did not hear the message would have escaped eternal torment via the "never heard of it" clause and Jews would have moseyed along via the "BBQ" clause. Christians avoid painting themselves into this corner by quoting Paul's "they are without excuse." The idea being, they ought to perceive enough to seek salvation, even if they never heard of it.

Senseless as that is, if Jesus had never come then Paul would have continued the BBQ clause because Jewish theology does not have a "hell". If Jesus had come and Paul had never heard, then Paul would have the "never heard of him" clause and would have continued the "BBQ" clause. Really it seems that the most evil thing a god could have done to humans would be to send them such an awful messiah. Jesus did not bring anything good to the Jews because they were God's chosen people and didn't go to a hell anyway. Basically all Jesus brought to the world was damnation. Praise be unto to Jesus.

As the title suggests, if I thought it at all true, I think Christianity is a test for the Jews. It could very well be Yahweh still holds Jews as his chosen people and Christianity is a test to see if they would go against the Torah. If the Jews convert, they would be failing the test. Mayhap, Christians will find out that they should have converted to Judaism in order to be on the right path.

The only thing the Jesus cult did was create a new country club with an attractive playing environment and benefits for newly diseased golfers and only available to members. Nothing sinister in that; it is a well established practice for any club to restrict admission to "Members Only". The truly sad part is that now all golfers are diseased and the only way to be rid of it is to die after joining that country club. Either that, or to die and then playing golf on 60,000 yard par three course with bare feet on a broken glass course and broken clubs and square balls they try to sink in upside down covered holes...for all eternity.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

As the title suggests, if I thought it at all true, I think Christianity is a test for the Jews. It could very well be Yahweh still holds Jews as his chosen people and Christianity is a test to see if they would go against the Torah. If the Jews convert, they would be failing the test. Mayhap, Christians will find out that they should have converted to Judaism in order to be on the right path.

Wait a minute. You are saying that Yahweh may exist here.  Something about the whole idea of Yahweh has impressed you.  Maybe you didn't mean to say this, but that's what is implied. You put in the disclaimer "if I thought it was all true," but there's no reason to even put forth this argument unless you actually thought that it might just be true.

[Tank]

As the title suggests, if I thought it at all true, I think Christianity is a test for the Jews. It could very well be Yahweh still holds Jews as his chosen people and Christianity is a test to see if they would go against the Torah. If the Jews convert, they would be failing the test. Mayhap, Christians will find out that they should have converted to Judaism in order to be on the right path.

Wait a minute. You are saying that Yahweh may exist here.  Something about the whole idea of Yahweh has impressed you.  Maybe you didn't mean to say this, but that's what is implied. You put in the disclaimer "if I thought it was all true," but there's no reason to even put forth this argument unless you actually thought that it might just be true.

Hypothetical is the word you're looking for Bruce 

[Too Few Lions]

Given the inherent anti-semitism in the New Testament, and the persecution Jews have suffered at the hands of Christians over 1500 odd years, I think Christianity has very much been a test for Yahweh's chosen people!

On a similar note, there are those that have made a case for Christianity being a creation of the Romans to try and destroy Judaism, as a result of the Jews being pains in the arse, which culminated in the Roman-Jewish wars of the first and second centuries. Of course this is exactly the time that Christianity appeared on the scene.

It's a bit of a conspiracy theory, and I don't think it's true, mind you I also don't buy that Christianity was started by a wandering Palestinian philosopher and his twelve disciples. But I do find it an interesting hypothesis, as the Jews are not portrayed well in the New Testament or any other early Christian writing.

[Gawen]

As the title suggests, if I thought it at all true, I think Christianity is a test for the Jews. It could very well be Yahweh still holds Jews as his chosen people and Christianity is a test to see if they would go against the Torah. If the Jews convert, they would be failing the test. Mayhap, Christians will find out that they should have converted to Judaism in order to be on the right path.

Wait a minute. You are saying that Yahweh may exist here.  Something about the whole idea of Yahweh has impressed you.  Maybe you didn't mean to say this, but that's what is implied. You put in the disclaimer "if I thought it was all true," but there's no reason to even put forth this argument unless you actually thought that it might just be true.

Bruce...Bruce...Bruce....you highlighted the wrong sentence. You should have highlighted a portion of the previous sentence as you suggested.

As the title suggests, if I thought it at all true, I think Christianity is a test for the Jews.

Using your logic, neo-Nazi's who disavow the holocaust really think it did happen because Hitler existed.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

As the title suggests, if I thought it at all true, I think Christianity is a test for the Jews. It could very well be Yahweh still holds Jews as his chosen people and Christianity is a test to see if they would go against the Torah. If the Jews convert, they would be failing the test. Mayhap, Christians will find out that they should have converted to Judaism in order to be on the right path.

Wait a minute. You are saying that Yahweh may exist here.  Something about the whole idea of Yahweh has impressed you.  Maybe you didn't mean to say this, but that's what is implied. You put in the disclaimer "if I thought it was all true," but there's no reason to even put forth this argument unless you actually thought that it might just be true.

Bruce...Bruce...Bruce....you highlighted the wrong sentence. You should have highlighted a portion of the previous sentence as you suggested.

As the title suggests, if I thought it at all true, I think Christianity is a test for the Jews.

Using your logic, neo-Nazi's who disavow the holocaust really think it did happen because Hitler existed.

Godwin's Law so early in the thread.  Oh well, I was just checking to see if there was a crack in your lack of faith. Apparently not.

[Sandra Craft]

As the title suggests, if I thought it at all true, I think Christianity is a test for the Jews. It could very well be Yahweh still holds Jews as his chosen people and Christianity is a test to see if they would go against the Torah. If the Jews convert, they would be failing the test. Mayhap, Christians will find out that they should have converted to Judaism in order to be on the right path.

Wait a minute. You are saying that Yahweh may exist here.  Something about the whole idea of Yahweh has impressed you.  Maybe you didn't mean to say this, but that's what is implied. You put in the disclaimer "if I thought it was all true," but there's no reason to even put forth this argument unless you actually thought that it might just be true.

Hypothetical is the word you're looking for Bruce 

Yeah, got to say that "Yahweh might exist" is not what I got out of Gawen's post either.

[pytheas]

The only thing the Jesus cult did was create a new ..

not that new, and very loosely "created" as I see it

jews are the original arch insolent, survivalist extremes, insoluble precipitates
that was belief and superstition, the exclusive club that can murder fellow people if they have to

then came logic and order,the general, the philosopher and the imperial dominion
that was secular power the incorporating club, that can murder anything when they want to

christianity appeared right in time for this realisation to be recent:

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by
the rulers as useful." Seneca quotes (Roman philosopher, mid-1st century AD)

henceforth christianity was the hypnosis of byzantine soldiers that were not afraid to die in battle.
Arabs saw that! Idea sprang Allah!
and we come to today's situation

monotheist religion on one hand and egoist egotist behavioural pursuit on the other, together or separately are a test for humanity and the planetary future

[Tristan Jay]

Godwin's Law so early in the thread.  Oh well, I was just checking to see if there was a crack in your lack of faith. Apparently not.

Your kidding, right?  Nice...um...save.  I guess.   

I get the impression that Gawen likes to play with thought experiments, but I'm only bringing my own preconceptions into this interpretation because I like to play with thought experiments.  It provides no end of story material at the very least.  Fun for me, my writing journal now contains notes on story ideas that spin off from the seed of a successful assassination of God in a full on Caesar on the Ides of March type of event.  That's just the start, there's so many ideas to play with beyond that point, the metaphysics of sustaining the universe in the wake of God the Stupid's demise, the dispensation of the Realms of Heaven and Hell (and Purgatory just suggested itself at this moment), and the impact on religion on the ground level.  I was even pleasantly surprise by some ideas that cropped up that I never expected.  Yet it's still so much fun to imagine alternative senarios for the core event that kicks everything off, again...and again...   

[Gawen]

Godwin's Law so early in the thread.  Oh well, I was just checking to see if there was a crack in your lack of faith. Apparently not.

Your kidding, right?  Nice...um...save.  I guess.   

I get the impression that Gawen likes to play with thought experiments, but I'm only bringing my own preconceptions into this interpretation because I like to play with thought experiments.  It provides no end of story material at the very least.  Fun for me, my writing journal now contains notes on story ideas that spin off from the seed of a successful assassination of God in a full on Caesar on the Ides of March type of event.  That's just the start, there's so many ideas to play with beyond that point, the metaphysics of sustaining the universe in the wake of God the Stupid's demise, the dispensation of the Realms of Heaven and Hell (and Purgatory just suggested itself at this moment), and the impact on religion on the ground level.  I was even pleasantly surprise by some ideas that cropped up that I never expected.  Yet it's still so much fun to imagine alternative senarios for the core event that kicks everything off, again...and again...   

Yeah, I went for the light tongue-in-cheek thing this time. I try not to be "Why so serious?" all the time. Thought experiments for us give us pleasure. Thought experiments 2000 years ago gave us Christianity in all its forms.