Arian's "Atheism" | Split From "My Lord, I'm an Atheist"

[Tank]

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here?

Arian
I recommend you seek professional help

That's the sort of comment one may think, but is advised not to type. 

[Asmodean]

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here?

Arian
I recommend you seek professional help

That's the sort of comment one may think, but is advised not to type. 

Ah, but he could have meant The Dawkins, for example, as "professional help"

[Tank]

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here?

Arian
I recommend you seek professional help

That's the sort of comment one may think, but is advised not to type. 

Ah, but he could have meant The Dawkins, for example, as "professional help"

True! I stand corrected!

[Asmodean]

Just going with the original quote and doing some honest not-reading-between-the-lines.

[arian (Banned)]

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here?

Arian
I recommend you seek professional help

Nice to post something I'm not allowed to isn't it?

I have explained pretty clearly why I say most here are NOT atheists, just read your posts on your 'religious' forums, and you will see. Atheists don't have those issues with God or gods as you all here seem to have.
'God is this and god is that. If God is omnipotent, omnipresent he would never do this or that. Look at Gods version of love and point to children starving in Africa and so on, ... That is not atheism.

Atheists listen to what I have to say with great interest because they really don't know the real meaning of God, .. or gods. Then they eveluate everything I say by the sources I use, the understanding I came to from experiences I claim, and so on. What you have created here is a religion no different than the Christians and all those other religions.

As for the others who responded, I ask that you re-read my posts and try debating that, not generalize; 'you need proffecional help arian, you are ignorant of our language, your trolling, stop quoting Scripture and prove your point on the Bible, etc.' does not show an honest intent to debate, but a clear message; "get off of here, Just ignore him etc." but it does seem like a common practice here to keep the conversation to mockery of, and not to even try to understand the other poster regarding God or gods.

1 Cor 13:11-12
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
NKJV

[Tank]

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here?

Arian
I recommend you seek professional help

Nice to post something I'm not allowed to isn't it?

I have explained pretty clearly why I say most here are NOT atheists, just read your posts on your 'religious' forums, and you will see. Atheists don't have those issues with God or gods as you all here seem to have.
'God is this and god is that. If God is omnipotent, omnipresent he would never do this or that. Look at Gods version of love and point to children starving in Africa and so on, ... That is not atheism.

Atheists listen to what I have to say with great interest because they really don't know the real meaning of God, .. or gods. Then they eveluate everything I say by the sources I use, the understanding I came to from experiences I claim, and so on. What you have created here is a religion no different than the Christians and all those other religions.

As for the others who responded, I ask that you re-read my posts and try debating that, not generalize; 'you need proffecional help arian, you are ignorant of our language, your trolling, stop quoting Scripture and prove your point on the Bible, etc.' does not show an honest intent to debate, but a clear message; "get off of here, Just ignore him etc." but it does seem like a common practice here to keep the conversation to mockery of, and not to even try to understand the other poster regarding God or gods.

1 Cor 13:11-12
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
NKJV

I think it's about time you took some of your own advice,

Coming to an atheist forum and spouting an inaccurate definition of atheism and then telling atheists they are not atheists is Trolling. You are behaving like a troll and as such I am suspending your ability to post for 7 days to allow you to consider your behaviour. If you choose to return you will need to stop trolling or the next suspension will be a permaban. Tank.

[Whitney]

Any real Atheists out there who could help me here?

Arian
I recommend you seek professional help

Nice to post something I'm not allowed to isn't it?

I have explained pretty clearly why I say most here are NOT atheists, just read your posts on your 'religious' forums, and you will see. Atheists don't have those issues with God or gods as you all here seem to have.
'God is this and god is that. If God is omnipotent, omnipresent he would never do this or that. Look at Gods version of love and point to children starving in Africa and so on, ... That is not atheism.

Atheists listen to what I have to say with great interest because they really don't know the real meaning of God, .. or gods. Then they eveluate everything I say by the sources I use, the understanding I came to from experiences I claim, and so on. What you have created here is a religion no different than the Christians and all those other religions.

As for the others who responded, I ask that you re-read my posts and try debating that, not generalize; 'you need proffecional help arian, you are ignorant of our language, your trolling, stop quoting Scripture and prove your point on the Bible, etc.' does not show an honest intent to debate, but a clear message; "get off of here, Just ignore him etc." but it does seem like a common practice here to keep the conversation to mockery of, and not to even try to understand the other poster regarding God or gods.

1 Cor 13:11-12
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
NKJV

Arian is now banned for 7 days.

Arian...you had been warned for everything you said in the above post that violated forum rules.  

The quote you decided to jump on about your needing professional help was already hand slapped by tank...so, yet again, you were wrong in pretending like you are persecuted here.

Yet again, you posted a bible verse for no purpose other than to preach.

[Tank]

That was impressive! While I was noting the ban somebody else gave arian a 7 day ban without knowing what I was writing! Great minds think alike!

[Whitney]

I think we both banned him at the same time..oh well, they'll both expire at about the same time too.  I called it "!arian" you probably just called the ban "arian"

[Tank]

I didn't creat a ban you'd got there already. Obviously you banned than commented while I commented and then went to raise a ban!

[Guardian85]

I don't care who was first. Well deserved hitting with the ban stick.

[Tank]

I don't care who was first. Well deserved hitting with the ban stick.

Well he gets one more chance when he gets back, if he chooses to come back.

[Sandra Craft]

I have explained pretty clearly why I say most here are NOT atheists, just read your posts on your 'religious' forums, and you will see. Atheists don't have those issues with God or gods as you all here seem to have.
'God is this and god is that. If God is omnipotent, omnipresent he would never do this or that. Look at Gods version of love and point to children starving in Africa and so on, ... That is not atheism.

(As usual, I'm a dollar short and a ban late.  Since Arian can read the posts however, I'll still bring up the questions I have.)

Why not?  Why wouldn't we have opinions about something that affects our lives, on a daily basis depending on where we live?  Why wouldn't we have an opinion on something many of us grew up being taught to believe, and sometimes gave up under gut-wrenching circumstances?  That sort of thing creates issues.

Atheists listen to what I have to say with great interest because they really don't know the real meaning of God, .. or gods. Then they eveluate everything I say by the sources I use, the understanding I came to from experiences I claim, and so on.

This sounds to me like an ignorance that is incredible in modern Western society.  In other words, extremely hard to believe.

What you have created here is a religion no different than the Christians and all those other religions.

Having no belief in god is a religion?  So many of the religious claim this and it's such a silly thing to say, it seems like a way of saying "oh yeah, well you do it too!"   Bill Maher explains this better than I do: Atheism not a religion

I've read your posts, at least as much as I was able to, and they didn't really explain anything.  To start off with there's your position that you're a god-believing atheist, which is like saying there's an egg-laying species that gives live birth (nobody bring up those snakes that give live birth to snaklings in a leather-like sack, you know what I mean).  

Atheism means literally, and very simply, "no god" or "without god".  You keep talking about the bible-god which is by definition a god whether you think it's a theistic god or not.  And if it isn't a theistic god, what kind of god is it?  If it's a non-god, why do you refer to it as a god?  If it's the bible god it's not a deistic one and theist and deist are the only two options I'm aware of that cover god-belief.  

Are you saying there's some other form of god-believer than theists and deists?  Can you explain in a simple and sensible fashion how it is a god and not covered by the word "theistic"?

[Crow]

Lasted longer than I thought before the first ban.

[Whitney]

Since I didn't want to mention it as part of my admin red message I figured I'd mention it now.

In response to Arian claiming that none of us are atheists.  Does that actually bother anyone?  I know I don't care if someone else thinks I'm an atheist or not; I have no emotional connection to the label itself.  The only time it's actually annoying is when Christians (usually it's chrsitians, but also others) use the "you're not an atheist you are just backslidden" or "atheists worship satan" line or similar phrases because then they are trying to tell me what the feel I am thinking rather than listening and that's where I start to care as it breeds bigotry.

Arian obviously lacks the ability, for whatever reason, to properly define a number of words that are essential to understanding key terms that relate to discussing positions on the existence of god....that's his problem; not mine.  I do find it sad that instead of just wanting to discuss that he has found the need to take an abrasive tone, claim persecution that's not there, and troll just to make himself feel special/smart or whatever it is that it does for him when he acts that way.

Arian, I strongly suggest that YOU re-read what you have posted here and pay careful attention to how others have responded to you and why they responded they way they did.  Think about how you could have better approached us.  Think about how very odd it is that you feel you are apparently the only person in the world that understands god...just think about it and honestly reflect.  I don't care if you believe in god, I don't care if you believe in the bible, I don't even care if you don't want to be called a Christian even though you technically could be labeled as one.  And I don't think many other HAF members care about all that either.  What most of us DO care about is how believers conduct themselves towards those who have differing views.  What do you think it is about what and how you have posted here that is getting poor responses and causing moderators to have to warn/ban you?  If it helps, imagine that HAF is a home and we are throwing an open casual debate party; how would you conduct yourself in that setting?  How long do you think you would have been welcome at the party if you acted the way you have here online?