Church going is resurging worldwide especially in young men

[Asmodean]

Why are we expected to rely on faith?

I think this one should be looked at as a compound issue.

There are reasons to rely on faith. Such-like can save a family from breakup or earn you a fortune in crypto.

However, if your choices are faith or statistics, then statistically (see what a word-clever The Asmo did there? ) you would be better off going with the latter.

In that sense, relying on faith is a bit like playing the lottery. You do it for the feels and in hope of a preferable outcome.

Relying on reason... That you usually do either when a degree of certainty is required (as in, relevant enough) or when you have a certain grasp on the variables involved in predicting an outcome. It also gets "easier" given enough people looking at the same issue, but then, that also seems true of more delusional behaviours.

There is, of course, overlap, which is more or less the default position. You may apply a little reason and a lot of faith to your model of something, or you can apply a lot of reason and a little faith - or something in-between. (I include "unconditional" trust in faith for the purpose of this argument)

[Icarus]

 Join us in other subjects Greenblaze. Religion at this forum is, over long periods of time, one of our much less used departments. We have a lot more interest and participation in things like photography, sciences, music, politics, and and a variety of other subjects. 

We do not need to be at odds just because you are a believer and we are skeptics. . Leave the bible in your favorite place at home, join in without that part of your persona.   

[zorkan]

1. From my understanding they still have things in Jerusalem historical wise from the time of Christ and oral tradition as well.  In Bible's I have read there are pictures of where the Last Supper occurred in modern day Jerusalem. There are also artefacts like the Turin Shroud.

Eucharist is an ancient ritual much older than Xianity about bringing your god down to earth.
Turin Shroud likely to be be far more recent.
People believe only what they want to believe.

2. A lot of Gospel Jesus were Jesus' disciples, but the New Testatment itself featured inspired writing under inspiration of the Holy Spirit by other writers like Paul who was a founder of the early Christian church. Also it featured other work by writers like Timothy who were a friend of Paul who were a preacher.

I don't believe in spooks, even holy ones.
No man was ever born other than by intercourse between a man and woman.

3. Yes some of them and Paul met Jesus and has many books written in the New Testament.

Who was Paul other than a man who probably suffered hallucinations?

https://www.bartehrman.com/was-paul-a-disciple-or-apostle/#:~:text=Paul%20never%20met%20Jesus%20while,least%20not%20the%20earthly%20Jesus.

4..From a trusted source-These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and containing Bibiical and inter-testatmental materials. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete, most of the first two chapters of Habakkuk, and fragments and of all of the Old Testament books with the exception of Esther. These findings by archeology contribute to our possessions of some of the oldest tests of the Old Testament. to our understanding of inter-testamental times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic. The Bible is made of more than Scrolls so we cannot use them alone. Christians use the New Testament as Christians which Jesus brought a new era and spirit of truth.

John Allegro was appointed to translate the Copper Scroll. The scrolls point to nothing.

5. I think in life we get paths and if you believe in that faith then if you don't believe in God and accept his son as the salvation and follows his teachings and do evil, then that is what happens for that faith. I read there will be different versions like levels of hell not in the Bible. There may be a pit of hell for demons and also perhaps a place of limbo for those who never quite made it, but were generally good people but had no faith and it won't be hell as such, such absence of God.
To me, hell is just like eternal shouting and blaspheming and carnal behaviour all the time pretty much.
Last question faith-you cannot just rely on faith as a Christian, you need to be baptised into the body of Jesus for remission of sins and faith is essential as well and so is love and obedience to God.

My friend, please be aware you are on the wrong forum.
Go and tell that to a christian forum like the Worthy.

[GreenBlaze]

Join us in other subjects Greenblaze. Religion at this forum is, over long periods of time, one of our much less used departments. We have a lot more interest and participation in things like photography, sciences, music, politics, and and a variety of other subjects. 

We do not need to be at odds just because you are a believer and we are skeptics. . Leave the bible in your favorite place at home, join in without that part of your persona.   

Thank you, I will take a look around, I do have other interests as well, I like filming places of nature and making videos and so will check around the properly and may be some others can guide on those as well, nice to meet you all.

[GreenBlaze]

1. From my understanding they still have things in Jerusalem historical wise from the time of Christ and oral tradition as well.  In Bible's I have read there are pictures of where the Last Supper occurred in modern day Jerusalem. There are also artefacts like the Turin Shroud.

Eucharist is an ancient ritual much older than Xianity about bringing your god down to earth.
Turin Shroud likely to be be far more recent.
People believe only what they want to believe.

2. A lot of Gospel Jesus were Jesus' disciples, but the New Testatment itself featured inspired writing under inspiration of the Holy Spirit by other writers like Paul who was a founder of the early Christian church. Also it featured other work by writers like Timothy who were a friend of Paul who were a preacher.

I don't believe in spooks, even holy ones.
No man was ever born other than by intercourse between a man and woman.

3. Yes some of them and Paul met Jesus and has many books written in the New Testament.

Who was Paul other than a man who probably suffered hallucinations?

https://www.bartehrman.com/was-paul-a-disciple-or-apostle/#:~:text=Paul%20never%20met%20Jesus%20while,least%20not%20the%20earthly%20Jesus.

4..From a trusted source-These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and containing Bibiical and inter-testatmental materials. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete, most of the first two chapters of Habakkuk, and fragments and of all of the Old Testament books with the exception of Esther. These findings by archeology contribute to our possessions of some of the oldest tests of the Old Testament. to our understanding of inter-testamental times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic. The Bible is made of more than Scrolls so we cannot use them alone. Christians use the New Testament as Christians which Jesus brought a new era and spirit of truth.

John Allegro was appointed to translate the Copper Scroll. The scrolls point to nothing.

5. I think in life we get paths and if you believe in that faith then if you don't believe in God and accept his son as the salvation and follows his teachings and do evil, then that is what happens for that faith. I read there will be different versions like levels of hell not in the Bible. There may be a pit of hell for demons and also perhaps a place of limbo for those who never quite made it, but were generally good people but had no faith and it won't be hell as such, such absence of God.
To me, hell is just like eternal shouting and blaspheming and carnal behaviour all the time pretty much.
Last question faith-you cannot just rely on faith as a Christian, you need to be baptised into the body of Jesus for remission of sins and faith is essential as well and so is love and obedience to God.

My friend, please be aware you are on the wrong forum.
Go and tell that to a christian forum like the Worthy.

I am not sure if you know about the gift that Paul had-he didn't have a recorded severe mental condition-but an infirmity-a niggling issue to deal with and no greatness. His weakness was magnified to show God's strength according to Christianity.  Paul had one of 8 Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said he would send his followers a comforter after he left the world and that came first and descended on his disciples on the Day of Pentecost that occurred in the Book of Acts. They then was given Gifts of the Holy Spirit which enbaled them further in their mission for the church and their faith. This enabled Paul to receive divine revelations from the Holy Spirit which is a 3rd attribute of God. These revelations could have through message or visions.

T am not sure what your views on regards the lake of fire, but as you mentioned it yourself I was just explaining what it was. I thought I pretty much gave you a definition of it. Peace

[zorkan]

... They then was given Gifts of the Holy Spirit which enbaled them further in their mission for the church and their faith. This enabled Paul to receive divine revelations from the Holy Spirit which is a 3rd attribute of God. These revelations could have through message or visions.

T am not sure what your views on regards the lake of fire, but as you mentioned it yourself I was just explaining what it was. I thought I pretty much gave you a definition of it. Peace

Incomprehensible as this is to me, I'd just like to point out that any evidence for any event in the NT would be disastrous for the church because it would destroy faith.

[billy rubin]

Join us in other subjects Greenblaze. Religion at this forum is, over long periods of time, one of our much less used departments. We have a lot more interest and participation in things like photography, sciences, music, politics, and and a variety of other subjects. 

and motorcycles!

[Dark Lightning]

Preaching the gospel. 

[GreenBlaze]

... They then was given Gifts of the Holy Spirit which enbaled them further in their mission for the church and their faith. This enabled Paul to receive divine revelations from the Holy Spirit which is a 3rd attribute of God. These revelations could have through message or visions.

T am not sure what your views on regards the lake of fire, but as you mentioned it yourself I was just explaining what it was. I thought I pretty much gave you a definition of it. Peace

Incomprehensible as this is to me, I'd just like to point out that any evidence for any event in the NT would be disastrous for the church because it would destroy faith.

It doesn't have to destroy if they made anything scientific discoveries. In fact speaking in tongues and glossolalia there is some science on it and I think it great to read and it doesn't discount it at all for me and strengthens a case for it happening because of a creator as well.
I don't know which country you live in, but Justin Webly has this gift as well and has spoken about it in the media.

https://www.science.org/content/article/tongues-mind

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2451830120300170

[billy rubin]

the science on tongues just says that people are unhooking their frontal lobes while they do it. that makes sense, and is similar to voting republican.

[Dark Lightning]

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[Icarus]

  

[Recusant]

 


That's the first study, but in my opinion the second is more interesting. They found that the practice of glossolalia results in more than average development in a couple of particular areas of the brain--associated with language control in a general sense. In other words it could be considered a skill, something that a non-practitioner might not easily accomplish on their first attempt.

I agree with GreenBlaze's opinion that neither of these findings are particularly incompatible with the assertion that holy babbling is inspired by the Holy Ghost. That's not saying much, which seems appropriate for the subject.  I don't agree that it's evidence for a deity, of any sort.

[zorkan]

It says here: Glossolalists claim that these tongues can be both real, unlearned languages (i.e., xenoglossia) as well as a "language of the spirit", a "heavenly language", or perhaps the language of angels.
Speaking in tongues - Wikipedia

Perhaps it's Enochian.
John Dee understood it through Edward Kelly..
https://brazen-head.org/2020/10/18/john-dee-and-edward-kelly-through-a-glass-darkly/

A real language with it's own grammar.

[billy rubin]

enochian? like the sons of god?