Church going is resurging worldwide especially in young men

[zorkan]

To communicate with angels you have to have a skryer (like Edward Kelly), a crystal ball, a table of symbols and the ability to speak in tongues (like Justin Welby).
An angel points to the symbols and the meaning is interpreted by an astrologer (like John Dee), who then gains favour with the ruling monarch (like Elizabeth I).
That's how royalty are directed by god.

All is explained here.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/48163733/Casaubon-A-True-and-Faithful-Relation

[GreenBlaze]

To communicate with angels you have to have a skryer (like Edward Kelly), a crystal ball, a table of symbols and the ability to speak in tongues (like Justin Welby).
An angel points to the symbols and the meaning is interpreted by an astrologer (like John Dee), who then gains favour with the ruling monarch (like Elizabeth I).
That's how royalty are directed by god.

All is explained here.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/48163733/Casaubon-A-True-and-Faithful-Relation

 I don't know if you meant to be serious or not.  I will say though that for the likes of Justin Webly who have the Holy Spirit it is not like this. I have seen people get messages from God's messengers/ angels in church and it is not like this. They will reveal to them a divine truth and it can be through vision and oral message. I used to work in this position at 17 and it was sent freely to me by God's messenger using the Holy Spirit in church. These were verified by the minister as authentic. There  are ways you get this is by blessed water and touch and fire.

[zorkan]

Justin Welby does not have the holy spirit any more than I have.
There are no angels or archangels, not even the Metatron or Michael.
They only exist in the imagination.

Queen Elizabeth I received her angelic messages from John Dee, out of the scoundrel Edward Kelly.
Queen Elizabeth II suggested she viewed her role as monarch as divinely appointed giving her 'One's duty' from faith.

Already discussed that faith is fabricated in the absence of any evidence to provide status to priests.

"These were verified by the minister as authentic. There are ways you get this is by blessed water and touch and fire."
Just grow up will you.
Don't you get the real front of any church?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89y9g83e92o

[GreenBlaze]

Justin Welby does not have the holy spirit any more than I have.
There are no angels or archangels, not even the Metatron or Michael.
They only exist in the imagination.

Queen Elizabeth I received her angelic messages from John Dee, out of the scoundrel Edward Kelly.
Queen Elizabeth II suggested she viewed her role as monarch as divinely appointed giving her 'One's duty' from faith.

Already discussed that faith is fabricated in the absence of any evidence to provide status to priests.

"These were verified by the minister as authentic. There are ways you get this is by blessed water and touch and fire."
Just grow up will you.
Don't you get the real front of any church?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89y9g83e92o

I am not sure what the objection is. I am not trying to sell you anything, but merely have a dialogue conversation about new information and research that is out there. You asked some provoking questions Which I tried to provide some answers for. I do not really know the first thing about you and I think generally you cannot sell a faith to anyone. They have to go and take away anything they see and go through it and decide themselves and it comes from their soul and spirit. I have no chance of convincing here of anything and it  is not my aim either.

I don't know how much of an open mind you have spiritually. You seem a bit close minded to me by what you say. I don't know if you are baptised but at that point one is blessed with more of the Holy Spirit in their life. It is given to Christians/Catholics and if you are not one and truly  departed from the faith then I think it is impossible you will a working Holy Spirit like a minister of faith, but you will likely have your normal spirit at birth, and why should you desire more as the Holy Spirit is there to help the church body and to help a Christian in their journey in their faith.

Also, if you are not that faith, leave them with it may be, there is no way to dispute that and meaningless if you don't believe it you don't have to. It is that simple and no-one is calling on you to. The Bible itself Psalm 104 says that God himself makes his angles spirit so there is l basis for them. But they do not work on practices like numbers being given to them.

[zorkan]

You have to be crazy to believe that the bible is all historical fact.
It's a work of fiction.

People are better educated these days to know that In the US:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/394262/fewer-bible-literal-word-god.aspx#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20D.C.%20%2D%2D%20A%20record,points%20in%201980%20and%201984.

In the UK:
"Skepticism and Rejection of Biblical Truth:
Some people in the UK reject the Bible's truth claims altogether, viewing it as mythology, legend, or historical fiction.
They may point to perceived contradictions, scientific inaccuracies, or lack of historical evidence as reasons for their skepticism.
This perspective often stems from a broader worldview that is critical of religious claims and emphasizes reason and evidence-based understanding. "

In answer to me being baptized, then yes I was.
But I knew nothing about it at only a few months old.
I was also brainwashed into believing there is a god up there.
It lasted until I was 16.

[GreenBlaze]

You have to be crazy to believe that the bible is all historical fact.
It's a work of fiction.

People are better educated these days to know that In the US:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/394262/fewer-bible-literal-word-god.aspx#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20D.C.%20%2D%2D%20A%20record,points%20in%201980%20and%201984.

In the UK:
"Skepticism and Rejection of Biblical Truth:
Some people in the UK reject the Bible's truth claims altogether, viewing it as mythology, legend, or historical fiction.
They may point to perceived contradictions, scientific inaccuracies, or lack of historical evidence as reasons for their skepticism.
This perspective often stems from a broader worldview that is critical of religious claims and emphasizes reason and evidence-based understanding. "

In answer to me being baptized, then yes I was.
But I knew nothing about it at only a few months old.
I was also brainwashed into believing there is a god up there.
It lasted until I was 16.

If you are of that faith you will believe in the Bible, some may see it more literally, allegorically etc but that is what they do and that is ok. If you don't have that faith you can choose not to and we can all be respective of each other, the aim. My parents originally come from a part of the world which is split on faith lines and we all get along.

I was baptised a Catholic. At birth if you do hold any truths in the Bible we are born with our own spirits and all of us have a part of God's spirit in us. Psalm 104 and Psalm 4 if you are ever interested tells you this to. Now, at baptism you was a baby and I was 8 you get more blessed with the Holy Spirit and become a part of the Body of Christ. I was given one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit at 17. I looked into my faith more at 16 by myself and this came into my spiritual life at 17. I can tell you that decades later I was still at that 17 year old level and not the most senior in type. It was more than enough for me. Now may be you still are very early entry into the spirit. People who is very developed in the faith and giving miracles of healing to people at church certainly will be given more Holy Spirit to do able to do these healing. There is no way for an ordinary person to be armed as so much as them so when you said you had the same holy spirit as the priests it is doubtful. I heard a recording for my one my spiritual gifts and it called me a junior...so why should you be a senior you know.

I also read of someone who walked away from the faith who had seemed to lose their holy spirit and it was sad to read and I wouldn't wish that for anyone.

You are the best guide for yourself. Best of luck

[GreenBlaze]

Hi everyone, new Pew Research for religion is out and I like to look at research like this. This is for the US. Christianity remains the biggest religion over all at 62%. They have facts for atheism and agnostics as well. I also like looking the belief section to at things like church going and prayer.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/frequency-of-prayer/at-least-daily/

https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/

[zorkan]

If you are of that faith you will believe in the Bible, some may see it more literally, allegorically etc but that is what they do and that is ok. If you don't have that faith you can choose not to and we can all be respective of each other, the aim. My parents originally come from a part of the world which is split on faith lines and we all get along.

I was baptised a Catholic. At birth if you do hold any truths in the Bible we are born with our own spirits and all of us have a part of God's spirit in us. Psalm 104 and Psalm 4 if you are ever interested tells you this to. Now, at baptism you was a baby and I was 8 you get more blessed with the Holy Spirit and become a part of the Body of Christ. I was given one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit at 17. I looked into my faith more at 16 by myself and this came into my spiritual life at 17. I can tell you that decades later I was still at that 17 year old level and not the most senior in type. It was more than enough for me. Now may be you still are very early entry into the spirit. People who is very developed in the faith and giving miracles of healing to people at church certainly will be given more Holy Spirit to do able to do these healing. There is no way for an ordinary person to be armed as so much as them so when you said you had the same holy spirit as the priests it is doubtful. I heard a recording for my one my spiritual gifts and it called me a junior...so why should you be a senior you know.

I also read of someone who walked away from the faith who had seemed to lose their holy spirit and it was sad to read and I wouldn't wish that for anyone.

You are the best guide for yourself. Best of luck

What is this holy spirit made of?
Whisky if you're Scottish maybe.

Millions of people have been to Lourdes in France to find the well of holy water.
"The miracles at Lourdes, France, are associated with the reported apparitions of the Virgin Mary to Bernadette Soubirous and the subsequent healings attributed to the waters of the grotto of Massabielle. While the Church has officially recognized 70 of these healings as miracles, many others are considered by pilgrims to be signs of God's grace and a source of spiritual transformation."

Very inefficient I'd say. Could do better.
If you rely more on medical drugs you are far more likely to survive.
More have survived by spontaneous remission than by supernatural cures.

[GreenBlaze]

If you are of that faith you will believe in the Bible, some may see it more literally, allegorically etc but that is what they do and that is ok. If you don't have that faith you can choose not to and we can all be respective of each other, the aim. My parents originally come from a part of the world which is split on faith lines and we all get along.

I was baptised a Catholic. At birth if you do hold any truths in the Bible we are born with our own spirits and all of us have a part of God's spirit in us. Psalm 104 and Psalm 4 if you are ever interested tells you this to. Now, at baptism you was a baby and I was 8 you get more blessed with the Holy Spirit and become a part of the Body of Christ. I was given one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit at 17. I looked into my faith more at 16 by myself and this came into my spiritual life at 17. I can tell you that decades later I was still at that 17 year old level and not the most senior in type. It was more than enough for me. Now may be you still are very early entry into the spirit. People who is very developed in the faith and giving miracles of healing to people at church certainly will be given more Holy Spirit to do able to do these healing. There is no way for an ordinary person to be armed as so much as them so when you said you had the same holy spirit as the priests it is doubtful. I heard a recording for my one my spiritual gifts and it called me a junior...so why should you be a senior you know.

I also read of someone who walked away from the faith who had seemed to lose their holy spirit and it was sad to read and I wouldn't wish that for anyone.

You are the best guide for yourself. Best of luck

What is this holy spirit made of?
Whisky if you're Scottish maybe.

Millions of people have been to Lourdes in France to find the well of holy water.
"The miracles at Lourdes, France, are associated with the reported apparitions of the Virgin Mary to Bernadette Soubirous and the subsequent healings attributed to the waters of the grotto of Massabielle. While the Church has officially recognized 70 of these healings as miracles, many others are considered by pilgrims to be signs of God's grace and a source of spiritual transformation."

Very inefficient I'd say. Could do better.
If you rely more on medical drugs you are far more likely to survive.
More have survived by spontaneous remission than by supernatural cures.

Well you are smart and someone has been on the Whisky and between them and you by saying this. it's got to be you, wake up.

The Holy Spirit is the 3rd attribute of God and know one can say and I wouldn't like to answer in detail... what we mostly know doesn't feel right to go beyond.

Most people see it as fire and energy the Holy Spirit. I have seen its presence. It is breathtaking. I have had healing to. Yes things can often take their normal course like with pills and just rest and recovery, but God can intervene as well and provide a remedy. Many don't give up their normal treatment at the same time.

It is said that the hallmark of Jesus miracles are is that they last. I have had profound things happen to me.

You can see some of my experiences here regarding healing-

https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/04/brain-healing-from-god.html

https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/06/miraclous-interventions-with-holy-water.html

https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/06/miraculous-interventions-with-holy.html

https://www.racheltestimony.com/2014/06/a-brilliant-source.html

My journey of my faith has more which is on my blog.

This man seemed to be feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit previously.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/religion-spirituality/3448734-give-me-sign-please.html

You have asked these questions which is different than the title of the thread.

[zorkan]

An example of the holy spirit is whisky.
https://caskstrength.blogspot.com/2013/08/holy-spirit-glenrothes-single-malt.html

It could also be a reference to hallucinogenic drugs, such was the Soma or magic mushroom.
Anything which alters the natural state of consciousness.
What god is, what healing is. Some substance which 'heals' your mind.
Why bother with hospitals and doctors if god's holy spirit really does heal?
Save billions and billions of taxpayers' money. Just summon the holy spirit.

I see posters outside churches which say "Come in and your cancer will go away!"
Jesus is here to heal you.
No reference to approved medical treatment for cancer which will make most cancers go away now with high probability.

So who do you call if diagnosed with cancer - the church or the doctor?

[billy rubin]

greenblaze, you mention that you have seen the presence of the holy spirit. that is useful evidence. but in christian scripture, god interacts more personally with human beings. off the top of my head, i can think of these examples:

-- god walks in physical form in the garden.
-- god speaks audibly to adam, eve, and cain
-- god appears physically to abram at his tent in mamre
-- god wrestles in physical form with jacob
-- god appears as a pillar of fire or a whirlwind to the hebrews
-- god writes in physical form with a finger on the tablets at sinai
-- god speaks audibly, in a still, small, voice to elijah
-- god writes in physical form with a finger on the wall in babylon
-- god speaks in an audible voice at the baptism of jesus
-- god appears as a physical dove at the baptism of jesus
-- god speaks in an audible voice at the transfiguration

miracles and healings dont interest me as much as direct, face to face, personal encounters such as ^^^these. has anything of this nature occurred within your experience?

[GreenBlaze]

An example of the holy spirit is whisky.
https://caskstrength.blogspot.com/2013/08/holy-spirit-glenrothes-single-malt.html

It could also be a reference to hallucinogenic drugs, such was the Soma or magic mushroom.
Anything which alters the natural state of consciousness.
What god is, what healing is. Some substance which 'heals' your mind.
Why bother with hospitals and doctors if god's holy spirit really does heal?
Save billions and billions of taxpayers' money. Just summon the holy spirit.

I see posters outside churches which say "Come in and your cancer will go away!"
Jesus is here to heal you.
No reference to approved medical treatment for cancer which will make most cancers go away now with high probability.

So who do you call if diagnosed with cancer - the church or the doctor?

Well, the Book of Acts mentions about if people were drunk when speaking in tongues when the Day of Pentecost came. They were not they were speaking in different languages..I don't know any other serious scripture points otherwise to note of whisky. They are told be sober minded etc.

Miracles and healing can happen if it is to be the will of the Divine creator. Of course I would suggest not to abandon medical treatment at the same time and do both. This is not the Emperor's New Clothes and you to have to have the faith. It cannot be promised from another to another and desposited into the accounts of a Charlatan for a fast buck.... it is the will of the creator and to be done by a right Spirited person of faith-I see the Holy Spirit as being better than the NHS ambulance service but for the spirit side of life though. It is faith and commitment that will usually impart these to you.

Start here you know you didn't create yourself right, you are a walking miracle. I think everyone is. So however created you is capable of much more. An open mind usually helps.
Are you happy where you are in your faith?

[Recusant]

Feel free to try the one with bells on. The drinking Christian has irrefutable biblical justification. Two prominent tales come to mind.:

Jesus conjuring wine at the wedding do, expressly to be consumed by those present.

Jesus telling his bros to imbibe wine in his memory. He does not prescribe how much, nor how often. That's up to the faithful to determine for themselves.

"Sober minded", or maybe not so much.

[GreenBlaze]

I will have a look about the wine and see what is said.

I do know that Timothy a pastor a friend of Paul's was encouraged to drink wine for his frequent stomach conditions in the New Testament. It is also used as thing like in the Book of Revelations that the daughter of blasphemy was probably drunk so being drunk is tended not be promoted...but drinking moderately can be used to promote some health for some people.

Any comment on the PEW research as that is the newest we have to date. The Census is what we use primarily in the UK and the last one was 2021 during COVID and they come out I think every ten years.

Looking at stats Israel is meant be just 2% Christian. It seems like us almost the new Israel in terms of Christianity. Some people think is the Babylon=Hollywood, but it falls through as God said he wouldn't destroy a small degree of people were found in it...interesting to me. How about you...

[zorkan]

Turning wine into blood is the objective of the catholic mass.
Then the faithful drink the blood, or is it still wine?
Not sure, but having tasted it myself I'd say it's still wine, but I don't know what christ's blood might taste like.
Wine might be alcohol-free these days, but Jesus as a boy raises all sorts of questions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospel_of_Thomas#Content

Did he really bring clay birds to life and kill other kids?
Didn't seem to love his neighbours, either.
Is this the kind and gentle Jesus who suffered children to come to him without hindrance?