My thoughts

[GAYtheist]

Jump up. Energy, not a deity, was transferred from the ground, to your feet, through your legs pushing you off the ground. Land. Energy, not a deity, was transferred from your body, through your legs, into your feet, and dispersed through the planet to be used somewhere else. Energy does not stop moving. This does not make it a "god" it makes it a branch of science.

[Prea]

You can't decide that being a deity doesn't require being supernatural just so your definition of deity works... it's the main point of being a deity.

Or maybe there is no such thing as supernatural....it's just a word that people came up with that has no basis in anything, and to explain the unexplainable. You can't decide that a deity has to be supernatural either. Well technically you decide/believe whatever you want

There are different definitions of "deity" too, and the word can be interpreted however one chooses....just as god can be interpreted however one chooses or believes

deity - The essential nature or condition of being a god

This does not make it a "god" it makes it a branch of science.

As far as we know in our limited understanding of the cosmos. You don't think that there is the possibility that god and science are one in the same? Is it really that much of a reach?

Jump up. Energy, not a deity, was transferred from the ground

But my mind was responsible for controlling that energy. What controls the energy of the universe? You can see the universe (and human existence) goes through a process of harmonizing. Going from the big bang until now the universe is a much more peaceful place with less chaos going on. Same with our earth, it's not longer the magma engulfed piece of rock that it probably started as. Our human race has harmonized in a way too, as we do not cause massive killing and destructive and conflict in the same magnitude that we have in the past

[GAYtheist]

But my mind was responsible for controlling that energy. What controls the energy of the universe? You can see the universe (and human existence) goes through a process of harmonizing. Going from the big bang until now the universe is a much more peaceful place with less chaos going on. Same with our earth, it's not longer the magma engulfed piece of rock that it probably started as. Our human race has harmonized in a way too, as we do not cause massive killing and destructive and conflict in the same magnitude that we have in the past

Physics. Evolution. Science.

[Allah]

Supernatural isn't a word "people came up with that has no basis in anything", it is a word with a clear definition: defying natural law. Energy does not do this. And I didn't DECIDE that a deity has to be supernatural, YOU did when you posted a definition earlier in this very thread stating a deity as a supernatural divine being.

[Prea]

Physics. Evolution. Science.

All a manifestation/study of energy. Just as art, music, and consciousness are a manifestation and result of energy processes.

Supernatural isn't a word "people came up with that has no basis in anything",

Ok....it has a basis in the mind, and that's it. There is no scientific proof in that. Name me one thing that "defies natural law"

And in my original post my point was to show what people believe to be a supernatural supreme being, may in fact be as natural as energy and describing the same thing. In case you haven't noticed describing god as energy makes everything very convoluted, contradictory, and ironic......which is what makes me believe it even more haha

[GAYtheist]

Physics. Evolution. Science.

All a manifestation/study of energy. Just as art, music, and consciousness are a manifestation and result of energy processes.

Yes, and there is nothing supernatural about any of the examples you have just given. They are all scientifically proven to be natural, and the are, music, and consciousness are fairly readily explained through science.

Supernatural isn't a word "people came up with that has no basis in anything",

Ok....it has a basis in the mind, and that's it. There is no scientific proof in that

And in my original post my point was to show what people believe to be a supernatural supreme being, may in fact be as natural as energy and describing the same thing. In case you haven't noticed describing god as energy makes everything very convoluted, contradictory, and ironic......which is what makes me believe it even more haha

No, because the being would have been a part of the singularity during the big bang. Which means the being itself would be the first thing created, and creating a consciousness that complex would be, i feel, impossible given the amount of time it took to start creating the universe.http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/1447 ... e75_lg.jpg

[Prea]

Physics. Evolution. Science.

All a manifestation/study of energy. Just as art, music, and consciousness are a manifestation and result of energy processes.

Yes, and there is nothing supernatural about any of the examples you have just given. They are all scientifically proven to be natural, and the are, music, and consciousness are fairly readily explained through science.

Supernatural isn't a word "people came up with that has no basis in anything",

Ok....it has a basis in the mind, and that's it. There is no scientific proof in that

And in my original post my point was to show what people believe to be a supernatural supreme being, may in fact be as natural as energy and describing the same thing. In case you haven't noticed describing god as energy makes everything very convoluted, contradictory, and ironic......which is what makes me believe it even more haha

No, because the being would have been a part of the singularity during the big bang. Which means the being itself would be the first thing created, and creating a consciousness that complex would be, i feel, impossible given the amount of time it took to start creating the universe.http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/1447 ... e75_lg.jpg

A universe is a vacuum.....surely energy could exist outside of this vacuum simultaneously too? (the trick would just be to not put the entirety of the energy into the universe). And what if this consciousness could somehow sense every single atom?

And science does not truly explain why we have feelings, emotions, or why we create things. Of what relevance are they to our environment (aside from other life)? Science just explains how.

[GAYtheist]

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And science does not truly explain why we have feelings, emotions, or why we create things. Of what relevance are they to our environment? Science just explains how.

The only thing existing outside the universe, is nothingness. Energy does not exist outside of the confines of the universe.

[Prea]

The only thing existing outside the universe, is nothingness. Energy does not exist outside of the confines of the universe.

I believe quite the opposite is possible. Everything inside the universe is basically isolated amounts of energy surrounded by nothingness....but outside of the universe is possibly only energy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-grim/read-the-never-before-pub_b_227887.html
http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v18n1/v18n1-MAPS_24.pdf
http://www.mayanmajix.com/art1699.html
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/01/70015

[GAYtheist]

The only thing existing outside the universe, is nothingness. Energy does not exist outside of the confines of the universe.

I believe quite the opposite is possible. Everything inside the universe is basically energy surrounded by nothingness....but outside of the universe is possibly only energy

Not empty space, Ether.
http://www.siddeutsch.org/essay8.html
http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/skies/skies11.htm

[Prea]

Did Einstein come up with that theory?  

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-ei ... eology.htm

A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

[GAYtheist]

Did Einstein come up with that theory?  

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-ei ... eology.htm

A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

" James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) and his contemporaries didn’t believe that a vacuum was empty space. They thought it was really filled with the ether, a mysterious substance somewhat analogous to the way in which our atmosphere is filled with air. Just as air is invisible, the ether that fills vacuum space is also elusive. So is there such a thing as empty space or a true “vacuum”? Yes-- outside the universe in which we reside. Our universe is filled with the ether. "

From previous link

[TheJackel]

Concerning the OP, He is correct that Energy is the sum total of all existence.. However, energy is not an entity in the sense of being a self aware GOD, That would make us all GOD, or a case of Solipsism. Instead, we are all conscious representatives of energy as separate entities all made from the same volume of this universal set substance. It's true that energy is that to which makes all conscious minds, and is the the substance to which makes consciousness an functional active phenomenon. However, it's a pleading argument to suggest it's inherently a self-aware deity. I have discussed this many times before that energy is the Universal Set of all sets, and the only thing that can solve infinite regress.  Essentially we are all made from the same pile of sand. If you want to redefine a GOD as a self-oscillating and attaining substance, so be it  Empty space is simply energy, or vacuum energy. Also, the reason why we can't measure the lowest level, or base energy is because we can not possibly build anything sensitive enough to measure it for the simple reason that anything we build would begin, or be constructed from that base level and up. So we call this zero base energy, or the lowest level of energy and complexity possible. And we base this on the fact that -1 energy is impossible, and this is why -1 spatial dimension is impossible, or that non-existence can not be a person, place, object, substance, or thing of literal existence.. Now since a -1 spatial space is impossible, it's also logical why most scientists agree that space itself is of infinite volume, or volume of energy.  . Essentially, there can be no phenomenon (consciousness, or even a simple bounce of a bouncing ball) without material physicality, complexity, substance, or spatial dimension..

 AKA ENERGY!  

[Prea]

Damn this is exactly what I've been thinking
http://www.meerical.com/Page21.html

[TheJackel]

Damn this is exactly what I've been thinking
http://www.meerical.com/Page21.html

That link is largely nonsensical, and I only agreed to the premise that Energy is the Universal Set.. This doesn't mean any pattern of nonsense magically reflects reality, or what actually exists, or doesn't exist. ..