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Started by Prea, July 09, 2010, 03:04:54 AM

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pinkocommie

Does this have anything to do with the OP?

Link dumping is spam, not contribution.
Ubi dubium ibi libertas: Where there is doubt, there is freedom.
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Prea

Quote from: "pinkocommie"Does this have anything to do with the OP?

Link dumping is spam, not contribution.
Life is basically just a bunch of "link dumping"

Perhaps our soul exists as a single photon and god is energy
Quote"In physics, a photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of the electromagnetic interaction and the basic unit of light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation. It is also the force carrier for the electromagnetic force. The effects of this force are easily observable at both the microscopic and macroscopic level, because the photon has no rest mass; this allows for interactions at long distances."

In particular, the photon model accounted for the frequency dependence of light's energy, and explained the ability of matter and radiation to be in thermal equilibrium.

Whitney

Quote from: "Prea"
Quote from: "pinkocommie"Does this have anything to do with the OP?

Link dumping is spam, not contribution.
Life is basically just a bunch of "link dumping"

WTF?  If you don't care about HAF's rules about not spamming with links then you need to go elsewhere.

Edit:  note that you are on strike 3 already as I just issued you yet another warning for spamming.  I'll give you one chance to change your approach otherwise you'll be on a one week ban the next time I see you participate here simply by dumping a ton of links and quoting from other sites.  As stated in your last warning...if you can't use your own words to back up your position then don't even bother trying to participate in discussion.

Prea

"He who knows himself knows his lord"

Tank

Quote from: "Prea""He who knows himself knows his lord"
See you in a week Prea.  :D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Whitney

Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "Prea""He who knows himself knows his lord"
See you in a week Prea.  :D

yup.

Thumpalumpacus

I'm really happy I decided to sit this one out.

Also, not to be a jerk, but
QuoteLife: Definition depends on source, but let us go with the mainstream: that which respires, multiplies and expires.

describes the action of fire very nicely as well.  Note that I'm not arguing that fire is alive, because everyone knows that life isn't energy, but bill-paying.
Illegitimi non carborundum.

Tank

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"I'm really happy I decided to sit this one out.

Also, not to be a jerk, but
QuoteLife: Definition depends on source, but let us go with the mainstream: that which respires, multiplies and expires.

describes the action of fire very nicely as well.  Note that I'm not arguing that fire is alive, because everyone knows that life isn't energy, but bill-paying.
There is a lovely line in Blackadder

Blackadder: Baldrick, I feel like a Pelican.
Baldrick: And why's that Sir?
Blackadder: Because everywhere I look there's a bloody great bill!
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

The Black Jester

Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"I'm really happy I decided to sit this one out.

Also, not to be a jerk, but
QuoteLife: Definition depends on source, but let us go with the mainstream: that which respires, multiplies and expires.

describes the action of fire very nicely as well.  Note that I'm not arguing that fire is alive, because everyone knows that life isn't energy, but bill-paying.
There is a lovely line in Blackadder

Blackadder: Baldrick, I feel like a Pelican.
Baldrick: And why's that Sir?
Blackadder: Because everywhere I look there's a bloody great bill!

I love that scene...
The Black Jester

"Religion is institutionalised superstition, science is institutionalised curiosity." - Tank

"Confederation of the dispossessed,
Fearing neither god nor master." - Killing Joke

http://theblackjester.wordpress.com

TheJackel

Quote from: "Prea"
Quote from: "pinkocommie"Does this have anything to do with the OP?

Link dumping is spam, not contribution.
Life is basically just a bunch of "link dumping"

Perhaps our soul exists as a single photon and god is energy
Quote"In physics, a photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of the electromagnetic interaction and the basic unit of light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation. It is also the force carrier for the electromagnetic force. The effects of this force are easily observable at both the microscopic and macroscopic level, because the photon has no rest mass; this allows for interactions at long distances."

In particular, the photon model accounted for the frequency dependence of light's energy, and explained the ability of matter and radiation to be in thermal equilibrium.

This is a real poor attempt to suggest a that a particle is magically self aware, and I know where you get this from. So I will post the example video to which theists like to use, and then explain why theists misrepresent the data, and why your concept is ridiculous.

[youtube:apkjx2ca]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEzRdZGYNvA[/youtube:apkjx2ca]

When we think about energy (especially on the quantum level), it can be absorbed or interacted with. Here the key problem is interactions that collapse the wave function due to the absorbing of the wave function via observation. The observer, no matter how small will interfere with the electron because the electron can either be a wave or a particle.. The collapse of the wave function is not because the electron knows it's being watched, it's because the observer is interacting with the electron and destroys the interference pattern and collapses the wave function, or cancels out the wave function.. This is called the uncertainty principle. This uncertainty principle is where it's impossible to design an experiment to determine which slit the electron passes through because the detection device or "observer" interferes with the experiment and the wave function.

Many theists like to misrepresent this experiment into some philosophical nonsense about how the universe is magically self-aware when in fact it's only showing the unpredictability of quantum electrodynamics, emergence, energy, or patterns that interact with other patterns to an unexpected new patter of behavior or result.  Yes this plays a role in how consciousness can arise giving that there is a complex structure such as a Nero Network to support it, but this does not mean the Universe is conscious, or that some how basic elementary particles are little conscious spirits running around.

Anyways, I would like to share a fun video that is semi off topic for education value :)

Here is a good video for you to watch on probability in quantum tunneling.


TheJackel

Quote from: "Asmodean"Not bad... Not bad at all. Methink I like you  :) And yes, certain states of energy such as matter can be destroyed in the sense of being converted into another form or state of energy.. However, it can't literally be destroyed into nothing as it can only decay or convert. I was just trying to clarify this so other readers won't be confused in regards to what we are trying to say on this subject  :)  :)

Thumpalumpacus

One more reason to love Calvin & Hobbes:  it introduced "transmogrification" into the vernacular.

And Jack is right; we cannot know what lies outside our Universe one way or the other.  Planck-time appears to be impenetrable.
Illegitimi non carborundum.

Heretical Rants

Quote from: "Prea"I believe the totality of all the energy in the cosmos somehow forms one continuous living organism that we are all apart of. I don't know how and I can't explain it

From Wikipedia >.<

Since there is no unequivocal definition of life, the current understanding is descriptive, where life is a characteristic of organisms that exhibit all or most of the following phenomena:

   1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.
   2. Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.
   3. Metabolism: Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.
   4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter.
   5. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.
   6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of multicellular organisms. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism) and by chemotaxis.
   7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.


I don't see how "all of the energy in the cosmos" fits any of these criteria.

elliebean

Quote from: "Heretical Rants"I don't see how "all of the energy in the cosmos" fits any of these criteria.
I don't think it has to, nor does it matter. To be fair I think the OP is merely suggesting that "all of the energy of the cosmos" is, on some level, a single entity possessing, or rather possessed by its own consciousness - a simple, unsupported claim. Pantheism is often the doubting theist's last stop on the way to Occam's Barbershop; a god defined as 'everything that exists' (or even 'all energy') is indistinguishable from one that doesn't exist. This is a naive attempt to define god into existence by labeling things known to exist as god, as if those things cease to exist or behave differently in anyway without that label.
[size=150]â€"Ellie [/size]
You can’t lie to yourself. If you do you’ve only fooled a deluded person and where’s the victory in that?â€"Ricky Gervais

Heretical Rants

Quote from: "GAYtheist"The only thing existing outside the universe, is nothingness. Energy does not exist outside of the confines of the universe.
Whoaoaaa, that´s a pretty big claim right there, if you´re defining "universe" the way I think you are.

If by universe you mean "everything, absolutely everything" then sure... but... then what´s the point of saying that nothing exists outside of everything?