Strong and Weak Atheism...is it really necessary?

[Jolly Sapper]

Hey, at least this instance of necro-posting is somewhat interesting to watch.

I appreciate the entertainment  

[G-Roll]

Satan represents what the Christians and Muslims and so on refer to as sin, and because we do so much of this sinning, we figure that satan is in us, so hence we are Satanists.

So someone you don’t believe in is inside you? And you shape your life around this being that you feel doesn’t exist?

Yes religion is seen as the enemy, which is somewhat similar to how Dawkins perceives it as well.

This statement has nothing to do with atheism. You can be an atheist and think religion is an enemy, but my comment was that there isn’t a universal atheism v.s. religion. An atheist simply doesn’t believe in any gods and the rest is up to an individual tastes.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it
successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of
magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose
all you have obtained.

Do you believe in magic? Do most satanic people believe in magic? Where does the source of this magic come from? Or is it an interpretation of lies, espionage, or all around sneakiness?

There are no other beliefs or lack of beliefs required for atheism. None. You can deny evolution and still be an atheist, you can be a Buddhist, a Satanist, a Jew, or whatever and still be an atheist. You can reject or accept anything else and still be an atheist because all atheism pertains to is the lack of belief in a god(s).

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I thought that in order to even be Jewish you would have to believe in god.. wouldn’t that be like a Christian that doesn’t believe in Christ?

[Whitney]

Not sure if you are aware of what you are saying.  I said nothing about making fun of Christians, and neither is it a strange philosophy: with due respect it would seem you do not understand but appear to have pre conceived ideas of what constitutes atheistic satanism.  However, with the comment I made one would not expect anyone to do any research.  We are Satanists who are atheists.  Satan is not some magical mysterious being because as an entity he does not exist any more than God.  He is within us, what Freud called the "Id".  We are quite different to the theistic satanists who are basically devil worshipers. I thought I was a mere atheist until I got seduced by the dark side of the force so to speak.
Cheers

I looked into satanism when I was exploring philosophies....LaVey Satanism is basically just a misguided response to the oppression of Christianity even if they don't actually believe in a literal Satan.  It's rather silly when you can just as easily claim egoism as your philosophy and be done with all the childishness of ritual.

[Whitney]

Hey, at least this instance of necro-posting is somewhat interesting to watch.

I appreciate the entertainment  

Entertaining, yes.  Sad, yes.  First satanist to get banned from HAF for preaching, probably.

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was he banned?
if so i dont understand how this was preaching but shedsomelightplz is still around....

i could have it all wrong and apologize if i do...

[Whitney]

was he banned?
if so i dont understand how this was preaching but shedsomelightplz is still around....

i could have it all wrong and apologize if i do...

satanist guy is not banned; i just see him heading that way....I already said that with somelight to report him if he is preaching because I don't want to read his posts; so if he is preaching, report him and he'll be warned or whatever step he is on now.

[G-Roll]

was he banned?
if so i dont understand how this was preaching but shedsomelightplz is still around....

i could have it all wrong and apologize if i do...

satanist guy is not banned; i just see him heading that way....I already said that with somelight to report him if he is preaching because I don't want to read his posts; so if he is preaching, report him and he'll be warned or whatever step he is on now.

oh ok... fair enough.

[venomfangx]

I was not preaching because if you claim to have read widely on the subject you would understand that we do not preach, nor do we seek to recruit anyone.
Because some people do not understand what I was talking about and have pre conceived notions, I stated what some of the principles are as people here tend to do
when speaking of atheism.  Now with the threat of banning, that is cool with me: but take note I got banned from christianforums.net on a topic which was about
"are atheists more intellectual than christians".  I made a post which politely said that many christians tend to follow blindly and then got a warning for demeaning christians.  At that first warning I told the admin to shove his site up where the sun don't shine, because it would seem that if he is so upset with a small comment his faith is not founded on much of a rock.

Is this the same here, that you claim to have read widely but you do not wish to read any explanations put into an argument.  Or maybe perhaps as within the Christian channels there are a group of like minded people who have similar philosophies, who support each other and feel the existence of outsiders a threat.
I note that with a few replies, instead of talking with respect there are demeaning comments like "crackpot cult".

Well on that note..I apologize for disrupting your little closed minded club and will leave you to reinforce each others ideas of truth and reality.  Oh and for those who think I follow La Vey they are wrong and no more correct than suggesting that people here follow the doctrine of Richard Dawkins.

For those who belong to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster like I do, you might actually understand the reasoning behind satanism.  
Maybe if I preached the doctrine of the FSM here, I doubt if I would have got the same hostility as you would have realized the humour behind it, but alas the word Satan threatens.

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I was not preaching because if you claim to have read widely on the subject you would understand that we do not preach, nor do we seek to recruit anyone.
Because some people do not understand what I was talking about and have pre conceived notions, I stated what some of the principles are as people here tend to do
when speaking of atheism.  Now with the threat of banning, that is cool with me: but take note I got banned from christianforums.net on a topic which was about
"are atheists more intellectual than christians".  I made a post which politely said that many christians tend to follow blindly and then got a warning for demeaning christians.  At that first warning I told the admin to shove his site up where the sun don't shine, because it would seem that if he is so upset with a small comment his faith is not founded on much of a rock.

Is this the same here, that you claim to have read widely but you do not wish to read any explanations put into an argument.  Or maybe perhaps as within the Christian channels there are a group of like minded people who have similar philosophies, who support each other and feel the existence of outsiders a threat.
I note that with a few replies, instead of talking with respect there are demeaning comments like "crackpot cult".

Well on that note..I apologize for disrupting your little closed minded club and will leave you to reinforce each others ideas of truth and reality.  Oh and for those who think I follow La Vey they are wrong and no more correct than suggesting that people here follow the doctrine of Richard Dawkins.

Lol i actually respected you up until this post. i was just curious about your belief/philosophy.

and by the way:

I am a La Vey Satanist and you cannot get more atheistic than that.

Oh and for those who think I follow La Vey they are wrong and no more correct than suggesting that people here follow the doctrine of Richard Dawkins

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[venomfangx]

i was just curious about your belief/philosophy.

I would have liked to have explained but it is clear I am not allowed to.  This forum as the name implies is clearly for secular discussion and topics outside of this are prohibited.  The Satanism actually is a parody, which is why it is called atheistic satanism.  Basically a bunch of atheists acting the goat so to speak.  It is a celebration of life and a parody of cults.  In my view and I may not be correct is that most atheists just exist and are hidden: we decide to show our faces in the most noticeable way possible.  You go to a party and say you are an atheist, many people will look at you with a bemused smile.  Go and show them your Crimson Satanist card and say you are a Satanist and you will find a numb silence.  In their mind images of blood sacrifices and absolute evil are conjured up (by the way this is the magic referred to).
Many Christians especially You Tube Creationists more or less consider all atheists to be a religious cult with Dawkins as their inspired leader.  Of course they are wrong, but they say the same thing time and time again in different ways.  At least I can safely say that Dawkins is not my leader but Satan is.  They will not get the humour but I am laughing at them inside.  

[Whitney]

I am a La Vey Satanist and you cannot get more atheistic than that.

I thought I was a mere atheist until I got seduced by the dark side of the force so to speak.

Who is following doctrine or dogma: it is not me nor my kind.

In response to someone trying to explain that atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god and that your first statement (shown above) is nonsense)

One of our philosophies so to speak is
If someone strikes you on the cheek you smash him in the other without mercy.
Below is just for your interest to bring up discussion which is why I am here. I am not here to be pretentious or acting wacko but to present atheism from a slightly different perspective.

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth


1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they
want to hear them.
3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go
there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and
without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a
burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it
successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of
magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose
all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject
yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for
your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone
bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Almost everything you have posted was done so for the purpose of advertising your satanic views...that's preaching.

Btw, if you had been preaching FSM you would have not been being serious as it is a joke religion and no one actually follows it....so that comparison is not valid.

If you are going to make claims that you are more atheist than other atheists because you are a satanist....support your views; if you just want to tell everyone what satanists believe create your own forum.  The CoS does have a website of their own.

[joeactor]

Ok... 2 things and I'm outta here...

1) why would you invoke any supernatural being (ie. Satan) if you are an Atheist?
Seems like that would be just another theism to me - or at least anti-theism if you're just doing it to revolt.

2) perhaps we have a theist who is trying to get atheists to admit that it's the same as Satan worship?

I don't worship Dog or Santa,
(meh)

[venomfangx]

to atheistic Satanists, Satan is not  supernatural being, in fact he does not exist except with our psychology.  No we are not anti theistic except we find religion to be distasteful as any atheist would.

[Jolly Sapper]

I've got nothing against you venom so take this post in all sincerity.

Just let this thread die.

I'm sure there are many other threads on this forum that your insights would be better suited for.  As for this thread's current derailment, somebody got curious or insulted by something you posted (whether intentional or not isn't the point) and your responses to responses don't seem to be helping.

Just saying...

[venomfangx]

Thank you, I appreciate your thoughts.
VenomFangX