The secret Christians aren’t sharing with you

[GreenBlaze]

HI Recusant it was not my aim to preach here in this thread, but to provide accurate information to a thread that I saw that had wrong information. I think that is important. I didn't start the thread.
Hi

What you've provided is "accurate information" about what you believe. What you've failed to do is provide any support for your implicit claim that your religious text is an objective source of evidence. I consider writing "This is not a preachy bit . . ." above a wall of preaching text to be disingenuous. Quoted below.

The Good News From GreenBlaze

Hi, I would say most Christians do not believe that Jesus is on earth as you say. I am a Christian and have never heard this and my church doesn't support this either. He doesn't lie, he is resurrected as he said. He has undergone the 1st resurrection of Christ and we are waiting on the 2nd coming of Christ. His disciples saw him after his 1st resurrection and then he went up to Heaven.

I wrote this today and this is how I think most Christians think that Jesus continues his presence on earth. He is in heaven though. I will share with you a post first about the supernatural world in terms of the faith as it sounds supernatural to me what you are saying, but that is as far as I go and I know that Jesus went up to Heaven as he said literally in the body. https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/07/just-having-fun-with-alex-mack-kid-spin.html

This is not a preachy bit to come, but I wrote it today and it fits how he helps today. Not caught in a Jewish restaurant in the UK or by the sea. This may help some to understand more if they do not.

The Good Shepherd How does Jesus care for his flock as believers today-

Jesus cares for his followers and we are his sheep and he is the good shepherd as he called himself in the New Testament (John 10:14). Let's see what he called himself- " I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." What are the qualities of a good shepherd. The qualities of a good shepherd is that they are protective, caring and that they are a good guide. Jesus counts everyone of us and wants us to get through to eternal life. This reminds me somewhat of Peter in Heidi the children's classic which I read and loved as a child by Joanna Spyri. Peter looked after the goats responsibly and with great affection to. Peter would herd his goats up and take good care of them. Jesus is like this with us and we are though his sheep.

How does Jesus today take care of his followers on earth-

1. Jesus sends his followers the Holy Spirit as a comforter in life which makes life more bearable (John 14:26).

2. Jesus offers his followers/sheep the promise of eternal life "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28).

3. Jesus today gives us the Eucharist and feeds us through his Communion which is blessed at church-The Eucharist offers us the remission/forgiveness of sins so he forgives peoples sins and allows people to be a member of the Body Christ which Jesus Christ is the head of (1 Ephesians 1:22).

4. If the will of God Jesus can still heal us which has happened to me and this happens through the Holy Spirit today since he was resurrected to Heaven.

5. Jesus will help his followers fight spiritual wars today and will protect his lamb which we are against the wolves. He is more hands on and protective than he was on earth in Heaven as evil practices have gone up and he needs to protect his sheep against the wolf (John 10:12). The gifts he appoints of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians :12) may help with protection to if you have been given those gifts which is dependent on the needs you have in life. In Ephesians 6:12 we learn- "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. It is Jesus who appoints to the Holy Spirit gifts to his church members (Ephesians 4). In this role Jesus will act in protecting us against wolves which try to overtake his lamb (us) to and they will not be successful as promises us. Let's draw courage as well from Jesus' words of courage to us that Satan's plan will never work for his Church-that is for the members and the church itself (Mat 16:18).

6. Jesus really cares for you and will stand behind you supporting you in life as the stronghold and may be quiet at most times just peeping in to make sure you are ok "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep (John 10:15). Jesus also said that he has divine love for his followers (John 15:9) (John 13:34-35).

7. Jesus gives us his church to support us with our spiritual journey (Hebrews 10:25).

8. Jesus does not give his followers a burden and so with your choices, you can do what you can. Jesus came to fulfil the law of the prophets and not to be a law breaker (Mark 2:27) . God the Father, was to the Shepherd of Israel and God which led them for 40 years and God still guides us today as the Father of all. God is the Jehovah Raah which means the Lord my Shepherd. This reminds me of Peter's grandfather who was the supreme lead in charge.

Thank you it was not intent to be preachy at all, but thanks. I thought that I answered the question in a reply why but may be I missed something. I saw the question in the morning and found it is a bit difficult to reply and already had an idea for what I wrote for something else just my own blog. When I wrote that it seemed I answered the concerns I had with the post. It seemed that the poster didn't know how Jesus himself still supports people who are Christians on the earth by saying he was on earth still in physical form. He is not but he sends help by his Holy Spirit so I thought that I would state that. I put my own life experience when asked and also the scripture itself as we know is written in inspiration and Luke is said to be the most accurate historical version and the Dead Sea scrolls provide pieces of information to.

[billy rubin]

thank you, greenblaze. i appreciate your answer.

i dont hold scriptural evidence in high regard, but i consider personal experience of much greater value.

[zorkan]

GB: One thing is clear, and never ghostly.

There is no such thing as the Holy Spirit.

Not even in the form of a dove.
There is no historical evidence for anything in the bible, not even in Luke.
The Dead Sea scrolls make no mention of Jesus.

Just like there are no weeping Madonna's or Marian apparitions.
Do you think if you crossed the border to a non-Catholic country you would find any of them?

Religion prospers by the power of deception.

If you think health problems are fixed by the power of prayer, then you are wrong.
They can be fixed by rest, by surgery and other forms of modern medicine.
You can always delude yourself by counting the plusses and ignoring all the minuses.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science-debunks-miracle-of-weeping-madonna-1590530.html

[GreenBlaze]

GB: One thing is clear, and never ghostly.

There is no such thing as the Holy Spirit.

Not even in the form of a dove.
There is no historical evidence for anything in the bible, not even in Luke.
The Dead Sea scrolls make no mention of Jesus.

Just like there are no weeping Madonna's or Marian apparitions.
Do you think if you crossed the border to a non-Catholic country you would find any of them?

Religion prospers by the power of deception.

If you think health problems are fixed by the power of prayer, then you are wrong.
They can be fixed by rest, by surgery and other forms of modern medicine.
You can always delude yourself by counting the plusses and ignoring all the minuses.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science-debunks-miracle-of-weeping-madonna-1590530.html

I know what you say is not true and if you don't believe in a faith try and respect it. or others The only things I try and not respect is Satan worship.
Also, I had a condition for months. I was dealing with it . It just affected me the day before as it was before church. I went to church and took the blessed eucharist. On the way out I knew I had been healed by Christ it was a healing given to me and never came back the nature of it.
Of course people can heal naturally as well if they are going to and this was never natural what I had.
Last  week also  at church as the sacraments was being blessed it became instantly very cold and I knew it was presence of the spirit. They was in the church and wanted it to be Holy. My autism went to insult me and they came while it on to mute to make it fully respectful as this sacrament was going on.

Some of Dead Sea Scrolls mention I believe a Messiah to come after David, but it seems like discussion on that might not be the best for this thread.

I am not trying to convince you of anything, just to to provide accurate information. You are happy with what you believe and that is up to you, but you do seem close minded to the supernatural.

That article you posted about mostly the Vatican was clamping down on fake things and they should be people doing fake thing for a fast one. It is not about true mysteries or the Holy Spirit, he is the Pope who stands behind the Vatican. and promotes the Holy Spirit
Good luck

[zorkan]

I don't know if GB is AI or just a Christian.
Either way you can't argue with them.
Count me out now.

[billy rubin]

I don't know if GB is AI or just a Christian.
Either way you can't argue with them.
Count me out now.

zorkan, youre not arguing. youre preaching-- asserting a singular point of view without support and not addressing any of the opposing discussion except to proclaim it false.

i dont have any belief in gods either, but greenblaze has been straightforward about what he believes and is interested in dialog. he's been polite about it too, which i consider important.

[godincarnate.me]

Hi, I would say most Christians do not believe that Jesus is on earth as you say. I am a Christian and have never heard this and my church doesn't support this either. He doesn't lie, he is resurrected as he said. He has undergone the 1st resurrection of Christ and we are waiting on the 2nd coming of Christ. His disciples saw him after his 1st resurrection and then he went up to Heaven.

I wrote this today and this is how I think most Christians think that Jesus continues his presence on earth. He is in heaven though. I will share with you a post first about the supernatural world in terms of the faith as it sounds supernatural to me what you are saying, but that is as far as I go and I know that Jesus went up to Heaven as he said literally in the body. https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/07/just-having-fun-with-alex-mack-kid-spin.html

This is not a preachy bit to come, but I wrote it today and it fits how he helps today. Not caught in a Jewish restaurant in the UK or by the sea. This may help some to understand more if they do not.

The Good Shepherd How does Jesus care for his flock as believers today-

Jesus cares for his followers and we are his sheep and he is the good shepherd as he called himself in the New Testament (John 10:14). Let's see what he called himself- " I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." What are the qualities of a good shepherd. The qualities of a good shepherd is that they are protective, caring and that they are a good guide. Jesus counts everyone of us and wants us to get through to eternal life. This reminds me somewhat of Peter in Heidi the children's classic which I read and loved as a child by Joanna Spyri. Peter looked after the goats responsibly and with great affection to. Peter would herd his goats up and take good care of them. Jesus is like this with us and we are though his sheep.

How does Jesus today take care of his followers on earth-

1. Jesus sends his followers the Holy Spirit as a comforter in life which makes life more bearable (John 14:26).

2. Jesus offers his followers/sheep the promise of eternal life "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28).

3. Jesus today gives us the Eucharist and feeds us through his Communion which is blessed at church-The Eucharist offers us the remission/forgiveness of sins so he forgives peoples sins and allows people to be a member of the Body Christ which Jesus Christ is the head of (1 Ephesians 1:22).

4. If the will of God Jesus can still heal us which has happened to me and this happens through the Holy Spirit today since he was resurrected to Heaven.

5. Jesus will help his followers fight spiritual wars today and will protect his lamb which we are against the wolves. He is more hands on and protective than he was on earth in Heaven as evil practices have gone up and he needs to protect his sheep against the wolf (John 10:12). The gifts he appoints of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians :12) may help with protection to if you have been given those gifts which is dependent on the needs you have in life. In Ephesians 6:12 we learn- "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. It is Jesus who appoints to the Holy Spirit gifts to his church members (Ephesians 4). In this role Jesus will act in protecting us against wolves which try to overtake his lamb (us) to and they will not be successful as promises us. Let's draw courage as well from Jesus' words of courage to us that Satan's plan will never work for his Church-that is for the members and the church itself (Mat 16:18).

6. Jesus really cares for you and will stand behind you supporting you in life as the stronghold and may be quiet at most times just peeping in to make sure you are ok "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep (John 10:15). Jesus also said that he has divine love for his followers (John 15:9) (John 13:34-35).

7. Jesus gives us his church to support us with our spiritual journey (Hebrews 10:25).

8. Jesus does not give his followers a burden and so with your choices, you can do what you can. Jesus came to fulfil the law of the prophets and not to be a law breaker (Mark 2:27) . God the Father, was to the Shepherd of Israel and God which led them for 40 years and God still guides us today as the Father of all. God is the Jehovah Raah which means the Lord my Shepherd. This reminds me of Peter's grandfather who was the supreme lead in charge.

Not Jesus. An unknown man. You must've missed the part where I wrote, notice Jesus in quotes.

[godincarnate.me]

If Jesus is now living on earth then how has he survived the last 2000 years?
Does he still live on honey and locusts?
If he died in 33 AD we will know in a few years how many swallow this:

https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/global-2033-preparing-for-the-2000th-anniversary-of-christs-resurrection-5681#:~:text=During%20the%20Jubilee%20of%20Hope,and%20resurrection%20of%20Jesus%20Christ.

Hope I'm also dead by then, because I can't stand any more of this shit.

Not Jesus. An unknown man. You must've missed the part where I wrote notice Jesus in quotes.

[godincarnate.me]

Concerning Christ, I'm certain that many followers secretly believe that "Jesus" resides on Earth and that, upon His death, all existence will end and begin again with his "rebirth." Notice Jesus in quotes. The Christian conviction that He is alive in "heaven" now, poised to resurrect the dead and usher in a new Heaven and Earth speaks volumes, in my estimation. In the present day, a man exhibiting a messianic tendency is deemed mentally unsound; yet, for reasons "unknown," Christians do not apply this judgment to Jesus. I surmise that Christianity's magnitude renders it impervious to scrutiny, and individuals shy away from the prospect of being perceived as irrational for asserting that "Jesus" walks the Earth. Thus, there lies a collective refuge in attributing such divinity to the figure described in the sacred text provided by God.

While there's no reason to dispute that you believe "many followers" secretly think Christ is now living on the Earth, it depends on how many is "many". There are some preterists but I don't think they amount to much. Perhaps you'd agree that it's difficult to determine how widespread a secret belief actually is. That's convenient because it's a dubious claim.

It appears that you would like it if "many" Christians harbor this belief, and so have asserted it to be the case. Have you had any takers on the proposition? Why did you decide to share it with atheists?

Not only Christians, but many people from many different religions know the truth. Even some of the the non-religious know the truth, but don't speak it. The truth couldn't be revealed to mankind for obvious reasons. Someone would harm this Man. The truth is clear as day to me.

[billy rubin]

Concerning Christ, I'm certain that many followers secretly believe that "Jesus" resides on Earth and that, upon His death, all existence will end and begin again with his "rebirth." Notice Jesus in quotes. The Christian conviction that He is alive in "heaven" now, poised to resurrect the dead and usher in a new Heaven and Earth speaks volumes, in my estimation. In the present day, a man exhibiting a messianic tendency is deemed mentally unsound; yet, for reasons "unknown," Christians do not apply this judgment to Jesus. I surmise that Christianity's magnitude renders it impervious to scrutiny, and individuals shy away from the prospect of being perceived as irrational for asserting that "Jesus" walks the Earth. Thus, there lies a collective refuge in attributing such divinity to the figure described in the sacred text provided by God.

While there's no reason to dispute that you believe "many followers" secretly think Christ is now living on the Earth, it depends on how many is "many". There are some preterists but I don't think they amount to much. Perhaps you'd agree that it's difficult to determine how widespread a secret belief actually is. That's convenient because it's a dubious claim.

It appears that you would like it if "many" Christians harbor this belief, and so have asserted it to be the case. Have you had any takers on the proposition? Why did you decide to share it with atheists?

Not only Christians, but many people from many different religions know the truth. Even some of the the non-religious know the truth, but don't speak it. The truth couldn't be revealed to mankind for obvious reasons. Someone would harm this Man. The truth is clear as day to me.

hi incarnate.

i am interested inthis subjuct.

so far you ahev not provided any arguments or factual data that will allow me to distinguish your ideas frm the usual random internet nonsense.

i am interested in the subject you discuss.

can you provide any reasons why i should connsider your ideas as any different from the usual internet nonesense?

i am intereested, so please do not disregard my specific question.

thank you.

[godincarnate.me]

Concerning Christ, I'm certain that many followers secretly believe that "Jesus" resides on Earth and that, upon His death, all existence will end and begin again with his "rebirth." Notice Jesus in quotes. The Christian conviction that He is alive in "heaven" now, poised to resurrect the dead and usher in a new Heaven and Earth speaks volumes, in my estimation. In the present day, a man exhibiting a messianic tendency is deemed mentally unsound; yet, for reasons "unknown," Christians do not apply this judgment to Jesus. I surmise that Christianity's magnitude renders it impervious to scrutiny, and individuals shy away from the prospect of being perceived as irrational for asserting that "Jesus" walks the Earth. Thus, there lies a collective refuge in attributing such divinity to the figure described in the sacred text provided by God.

While there's no reason to dispute that you believe "many followers" secretly think Christ is now living on the Earth, it depends on how many is "many". There are some preterists but I don't think they amount to much. Perhaps you'd agree that it's difficult to determine how widespread a secret belief actually is. That's convenient because it's a dubious claim.

It appears that you would like it if "many" Christians harbor this belief, and so have asserted it to be the case. Have you had any takers on the proposition? Why did you decide to share it with atheists?

Not only Christians, but many people from many different religions know the truth. Even some of the the non-religious know the truth, but don't speak it. The truth couldn't be revealed to mankind for obvious reasons. Someone would harm this Man. The truth is clear as day to me.

hi incarnate.

i am interested inthis subjuct.

so far you ahev not provided any arguments or factual data that will allow me to distinguish your ideas frm the usual random internet nonsense.

i am interested in the subject you discuss.

can you provide any reasons why i should connsider your ideas as any different from the usual internet nonesense?

i am intereested, so please do not disregard my specific question.

thank you.

I just know things, my friend. I've known for nearly 20 years. It's people like you that don't believe it that keep it a secret. God couldn't reveal the truth to mankind for obvious reasons. Someone would harm the incarnation of God. It's quite clear to me. Also, God doesn't intend for us to leave our religions and proclaim this truth. It's not a truth that you would tell your little child when they ask you what happens when they die. That would scare the child so that's why God gives us religions so we can tell our children comforting stories. Big religions are here for a reason. If everybody started to proclaim this, and it wasn't a secret anymore, it would devolve into cults and many men would come forward claiming they were the incarnation of God. It would turn into a freak show. That's why big religions aren't going anywhere anytime soon they will be here till the end. I just know things. We were meant to know things on this earth. We're not dummies. God didn't put a bunch of dummies on the earth. I'm sick of hearing from people that there's no way to know the truth. Keep telling yourself that and that's where you'll be in 50 years. You have to get up in the morning look in the mirror and say I'm gonna figure this out and know the truth about the nature of reality. That's what I did and that's what happened. You have to be confident in life. You have to be confident when you do a job or a relationship with a woman or whatever it may be.

[Icarus]

Greenblaze, I respect that you believe what you believe. To each his own. 

I do question your, and so many other Christians,  belief that "the bible" is a reliable source of historical information. If you track the origin of the present day Christian bible, usually the KJV, then you will conclude that any claim to authenticity is out of the question.

The KJV was compiled by a committee of 54 learned scholars in or about the year 1610. Of course the writing and the details including the quotations of what Jesus.Joseph, Peter ,Paul, and all the rest "said". All that text was, of course, subject to the approval of King James.  Luther had his own interpretation of the Latin Vulgate writings, so did Gutenberg, and countless others. Before Gutenberg, the method for transmission of the "holy Word" depended on the methods, accuracy, intentions of the scribes who used pens and parchments to record the history of the beginnings of the Christian faith.   How can you place confidence in what you read in a book of so  questionable an origin?

[Recusant]

Not only Christians, but many people from many different religions know the truth. Even some of the the non-religious know the truth, but don't speak it. The truth couldn't be revealed to mankind for obvious reasons. Someone would harm this Man. The truth is clear as day to me.

Indeed, you already asserted that "many people" are aware of the supposed incarnation of a popular deity. Apparently this assertion is based on your personal intuition. As long as that's the case, there's no reason to give it any further consideration. I suppose it could be an opportunity to impersonate a philosophaster. . . 

At this point in writing my post I considered whether "you're talking through your hat" could be considered a civil phrase. Could be, but leans toward uncivil. Once thinking about the phrase I delved into its etymology (of course I did). As with so many English/American idioms, the origins aren't clear. However, early examples in print appear to already carry the basic concept.

I'll say this--if the central premises were congruent with reality, then it would be wise to be concerned for personal safety. If.

As one story goes, even the embodiment of a deity is not immune to physical harm. Since it's a story yours aligns with, the paranoia logically follows.

Still, despite the requirement that the truth couldn't be revealed to mankind, we happy atheists are being given a glimpse of it. I'll ask again: why?

[GreenBlaze]

Greenblaze, I respect that you believe what you believe. To each his own. 

I do question your, and so many other Christians,  belief that "the bible" is a reliable source of historical information. If you track the origin of the present day Christian bible, usually the KJV, then you will conclude that any claim to authenticity is out of the question.

The KJV was compiled by a committee of 54 learned scholars in or about the year 1610. Of course the writing and the details including the quotations of what Jesus.Joseph, Peter ,Paul, and all the rest "said". All that text was, of course, subject to the approval of King James.  Luther had his own interpretation of the Latin Vulgate writings, so did Gutenberg, and countless others. Before Gutenberg, the method for transmission of the "holy Word" depended on the methods, accuracy, intentions of the scribes who used pens and parchments to record the history of the beginnings of the Christian faith.   How can you place confidence in what you read in a book of so  questionable an origin?

Just to let you know all I am a female and not a he. I have a major  degree in religion and the sociologyy of religion data etc-see my post first. I also like about mystery and supernatural things to. I have studied other religions and I also have an MA. It doesn't make me an expert at all, but I have an interest in this area and Christianity happens to be my faith. I am interested in posting up to date information where I am see it and you cannot force anything on others-

Anyway, back to the question-
I know that the KJV version was written in 1610. Part of my faith works on  trust and faith not wanting to know all the answers to everything and trusting God. Anyway, they found the Dead Sea scrolls which was written in the 3rd century BCE to the 1st century CE in  1946 which which contained most of the text of the Old Testament minus the book of Esther. The Dead Sea scrolls mentioned a Messiah to come and many prophecies of Jesus Christ to come such as the Rod of Jesse which I like the most. Before the Dead Sea scrolls other texts were used that again mentioned law like the Ten Commandments-the Nash Papyrus: An older Hebrew text (2nd Century BCE) with the Ten Commandments and Shema, but fragments.
The term  Bible was coined later and it is written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
I have seen it work for me. Jesus said he will send his believers a comforter after he departed. I was baptised at 8 and started looking for a miracle at 16. I had my faith before-but was very motivated in this and wasn't given it-but was a given a gift to help me in my life of the Holy Spirit gifts and also was given to support the church. What I experienced during it being given was incredible and I saw mysteries with it and served in the church. My spirit has also shown me some wonderful things which has been passed on by the Holy Spirit which is part of Jesus' ministry now. I also had a healing without asking. If I was not a Christian I would still follow myself as I like it framework and values.

Proverbs 3:5-6- "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."
2 Timothy 3:16-17- The words of Scripture are "God breathed" or inspired.
John 14:16-"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"
 Psalms 104 " Bless the Lord , O my soul, O Lord my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with majesty. Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain." (The Holy Spirit which is God's Holy's Spirit.

Each to their own that you say.

[billy rubin]

I just know things, my friend.

i am a quaker, godincarnate.

quakers also have a long history of "knowing things," but they were able to explain why, to anybody who asked.

how do you "know things?"