Catholics and the supernatural

[zorkan]

As I like a bit of the supernatural myself, we (the lapsed Catholics) now need to be on our guard.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/17/vatican-rules-supernatural-phenomena-crackdown-hoaxes#:~:text=Apparitions%20of%20the%20Virgin%20Mary,against%20potential%20scams%20and%20hoaxes.

No more apparitions, weeping Madonna's, miracles of the sky unless verified by the pope.
What next? No more incarnation, creed, mystery of the Eucharist?

Or could it be just the age we're now living in is a touch more sceptical?
Is the Catholic church, like Jesus, on toast?


 

[Tank]

That was an interesting article. I wonder how long it will be before the Catholic Church becomes the Catholic Club? 

[zorkan]

Catholic church is a social club.
Only Catholics can sample the body and blood of X from being plain bread and wine only a minute or so before.
Non Catholics are told not to come to the communion.
Cannibalism is still alive and well.

Catholics also worship the Black Madonna.
But how many know why?
"Concerning why is she black--in Aramaic the language of Jesus--black means 'sorrowful'. It is a language of idioms. This links the Blessed Mother to Isis who was called 'sorrowing' in her search for Osiris."

Gerald Massey knew a thing or two.
He was the author of Ancient Egypt Light of the World.

https://tringlocalhistory.org.uk/massey/dpr_04_gnostic_and_historic.htm

[Tank]

Interesting.

[GreenBlaze]

Zorkan, you are a lapsed Catholic. Just seen your thread. I was baptised as a Catholic as a child. I still have the faith, not here to question you on that. I know a fair bit about the subject as well.

You might want to take a look at my blog post that I wrote today in good fun and it is about the supernatural as well. I love the world that I live in.

https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/07/just-having-fun-with-alex-mack-kid-spin.html

[GreenBlaze]

I thought that I would add as well that of late in the last few years there has been a revival of the Holy Spirit church's in the Catholic faith. The trend has been though that Charismatic Catholic church services that use the Gifts of the Holy Spirit have been resurging in America, Latin American countries and African countries. They are worship services like using the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which is 8 spiritual gifts that is in the Book of Corinthians (1 Corinthians :12) in the Bible.

Here are some examples-This in the US where I don't live.

https://cccgh.com/ these are priests who run these services

https://holyspiritlantana.com/

https://www.facebook.com/HolySpiritLantana/live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXU7i7JzXUo

In a normal service  non revival Catholic church the sacraments are blessed so that is supernatural and they usually bless water to and some have had healing from all this so is supernatural again.

There is in invisible world that the Bible speaks of and they are part of it as well. I was baptised as a Catholic and attended Catholic schools to 19 and have attended Catholic church's recently and they are still Christians. I have felt the Holy Spirit's presence in a typical Catholic church recently.

Also in some pictures in the Catholic tradition they sometimes put unknown angels by Jesus' side on the Cross and they would be part of invisible world if they ever visited it and it wasn't seen by the human side. The Book of Corinthians mentions about there being an invisible and visible world.

Catholic Saints seems to be more involved in mystism like levitation like Saint Jospeh of Cupertino who I really like. Some of them to had stigmata claiming to be so.

[zorkan]

Apart from the quantum there is no invisible world.
We can only see light of a certain wavelength.
There are no ghosts or spirits.
If someone claims an encounter then ignore them.
Light can only interact with matter.

Book of Corinthians states that women should be silent in church.
'women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.'

[GreenBlaze]

Apart from the quantum there is no invisible world.
We can only see light of a certain wavelength.
There are no ghosts or spirits.
If someone claims an encounter then ignore them.
Light can only interact with matter.

Book of Corinthians states that women should be silent in church.
'women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.'

I have not heard someone else say that there are no spirits, it is a part of how we are made as human beings. Do you object to us being made of spirit or just of spirits outside the body in the world. Psalm 104 is best used here for us being made of spirit. ...he sends forth our spirits and we are created.

Life has changed. Paul was writing at a time when church custom was different and things have changed. Galatians 3.28 shows that God views men and women as equals before him.
Also, women in the Old Testatment and in the New Testament-Philip evangelist had four daughters who had a ministry gift in the church and could serve with this. This was established to in the Old Testament with prophets like Miriam and Hudlah who were women and were pivotal in their role serving in the prophetic ministry. Esther to had a consecrated role as a woman.

There is an invisible world. You do not seem you have tapped into spirituality the possibility of it so you likely will be less likely to have seen it. I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit in my life.

Oh btw in the Catholic tradition he Sacraments are blessed by a process called transubstantiation.

[zorkan]

Spirits, prophetesses, transubstantiation is all a load of baloney from a dark age of despair.

[billy rubin]

i know rapture theory isnt catholic but tis made me laugh anyway

[Recusant]

Like tears in the rain.

[zorkan]

Prophets have made big profits for the church.
$aints have also made big bucks.
Could be as high as 20,000.

[Icarus]

Greenblaze quotes the bible a lot. Above, GB is telling us what Paul said.  Really?  You can believe you know what someone said a couple thousand years ago?

The only spirits for which I am certain, comes in a bottle labeled; eight year old scotch..... or bourbon. 

[zorkan]

But who are you going to call when you become possessed of an evil spirit?
The Catholic priest will come along with his toolkit of faith, blessings, holy water and prayer book.

You can't work anything off faith, because faith is not fact.

[GreenBlaze]

But who are you going to call when you become possessed of an evil spirit?
The Catholic priest will come along with his toolkit of faith, blessings, holy water and prayer book.

You can't work anything off faith, because faith is not fact.

You wrote in the thread title that you are a lapsed Catholic and that you are interested in the supernatural-but all that you have written here doesn't indicate that to me.
No spirits no invisble or visible world and the list went on...I wouldn't say that person was interested in things spiritual concerning human beings.
So what type of things supernatural interests you then?
Has your thoughts moved on since you left the faith and wrote this post?
Without to much detail I am wondering what caused you to leave?