UK General Election 2024

[zorkan]

I'm trying to get a feel for how the good people of the Ashfield, a former coal mining area in Nottinghamshire overwhelmingly voted for the far right Reform UK.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-uk-election-results/constituencies/ashfield/

It's where during the Miner's Strike 40 years ago the workers did not support the NUM led by Arthur Scargill and decided to carry on working.
Locals there who had no connection or who weren't even born, are still called scabs.

[Tank]

What a load of rubbish. Be sure to tell us if that actually happens.

[Asmodean]

...I'm trying to get a feel for how Reform UK is anywhere near ""Far(tm) Right(tm)."" Are they not ye-classical all-blue sort of party?

[The Magic Pudding..]

If only countries could stabilise their populations, property/rent would be cheaper, we wouldn't have to be constantly building. 

[Asmodean]

In many countries, this could be achieved by reducing net immigration, as their births per capita are... Unimpressive. They'd still build all the time and rent tends to trend upwards just like everything else money-related.

I think increased stability requires a compound solution though. Yes, more opaque borders, but also increased retirement age, a more strategic approach to investment in tech and innovation, not to mention resource security... Such-like. It would take more than one thing.

[The Magic Pudding..]

They'd still build all the time and rent tends to trend upwards just like everything else money-related.

They'd only have to build to replace the old or do improvements to dwellings.
Not much new road building would be required.

Jillian Segal will be Australia's special envoy to combat anti-Semitism. The government will also shortly appoint an envoy on Islamophobia.

Things just get worse and worse, people can't afford a home anywhere, let alone where they grew up. I think the starry eyed diversity promoters sold us a lemon.

[zorkan]

What a load of rubbish. Be sure to tell us if that actually happens.

If that's a reference to Stonesfield:
https://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/17760715.cala-homes-loses-appeal-68-home-plan-stonesfield/

Not too many new homes but it will be enough to destroy the character of the village.
Villagers can now also expect noise and disruption for many months.
New homes will not be made of stone, but featureless brick and mortar, and more are bound to follow.
Passing through south Oxfordshire yesterday I see ugly development is already going on everywhere.
Places like Shrivenham and Farringdon.
They will need more roads to cope with greater car use.
Few people seem to work from home.
A village like Dunchurch in Warwickshire can expect at least 4000 new homes.

In the case of sports grounds local councils have already acquired their land for delelopment.
Not just my local football club, but 4 others nearby and one rugby club are about to go.

[Tank]

But it's fine for people to be homeless?

[zorkan]

Every person should have the fundamental right to a home.
But you sound as if you are happy to destroy the green belt with ugly housing.
Take down the trees which are the lungs of the planet is not the right way to go about it.

[Tank]

Every person should have the fundamental right to a home.
But you sound as if you are happy to destroy the green belt with ugly housing.
Take down the trees which are the lungs of the planet is not the right way to go about it.

I don't sound happy that green belt land is under threat. That's just you displacing onto me. If you read what I wrote rather than what you think I wrote then you will see that I support the Grey Belt proposals and Brown field site development. It is also the case that local councils get the final say where new housing is built. With the change in planning laws areas previously not available could be accessed thus saving the football pitches etc. The Labour government is about devolving power not concentrating it. But we can't go on with the stagnation the current planning laws where tiny NIMBY groups dictate national policy they affects everyone. What was going on was an unparalleled disaster.
 

[zorkan]

Here's an example of "Not in my backyard."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13617923/New-housing-minister-tried-blocking-property-project.html

Now the soft on crime party are giving prisoners an extra 10% off their sentences.
I'll look out for this being advertised outside jails.
If they don't we can expect widespread looting.

https://news.sky.com/story/early-prisoner-release-fears-of-looting-and-unchecked-criminality-if-space-in-jails-not-freed-up-13176801

[Tank]

[billy rubin]

whats the deal with the conservatives being thrown out?

what is likely to happen to the lives of the ordinary briton?

[Tank]

whats the deal with the conservatives being thrown out?

what is likely to happen to the lives of the ordinary briton?

Imagine the party that has governed for 14 years gets thrown out in the greatest political defeat in that parties history. It would be analogous to the Democrats ending up with only a quarter of the seats in both the House of Representatives and Senate.

Well what will happen remains to be seen. Labour have historically been the party of the working man. After WWII it was the Labour party that created our National Health system, in you terms a single payer system where everybody pays into the pot and takes from it when needed. Labour should work from the bottom of society upward. The Conservatives work from the privileged down.

If Labour do what they have said they want to do we should see more people getting a better deal.

[billy rubin]

best of luck.

over here we re busy trying to dismantle any social benefits for the working and middle classes, and its them who are voting the scoundrels in.

we have major crises here in the states over housing and wages. the system that was in place from the second war until ronald reagan has been mostly removed. i live on 25 acres of farmland that i completely own outright, no debts. i am doing everything i can to keep that property in the family so that no matter what happens, my kids have a place to live that they dont need to spend money on.

they may have to read by oil lamps and shit in a bucket, but they grew up that way.

we have electricity now, but we still shit in a bucket.