Christian Nonduality

[Old Seer]

It would be something like- energy can be neither created nor destroyed (from common thought). If true, energy must have always been existing. Matter then, is returning to it's original state, energy. So then (this leads to many thoughts) what is energy, does energy have weight and volume. ?? ??  Eg Photons striking material can change the material. IOW, it cleaves something from the objects it collides with.

Sorry. It must be me.

The striking of photons on material cleaves off something changing the state of the surface. One could think photons are burning the surface of material changing the material back to energy. In desert areas rock obtains what is referred to as desert varnish caused by the striking of photons which must be changing the surface into a different state of matter. The material universe then, must be in a constant process of destruction leaving only it's origin. (Theoretically)

[Tank]

Desert Varnish appears to be a purely chemical behaviour. Very interesting though.

[Recusant]

There you go, bringing facts into it and ruining a nice story. 

[Asmodean]

A what?

The Asmo is God. Therefore, His Divine Spelling is Divinely correct by default. 

...A spacetime singularity. A place where no further progression along spacetime is possible. Its mountaintop or North Pole or what-construct-have you.

What are they, and why should they collide?

Precisely.

I was referring to the M theory, which describes (-ish) "cosmic membranes" as sort-of... Building blocks? Basic units..? The fabric of the Universe, I suppose is the term I'm looking for on this way-too-early morning. It's an incomplete, though valiant enough attempt at a Theory of Everything, and one thing to arise from it, is the potential for such "cosmic membranes" colliding giving rise to spacetimes like our own.

It's... Thin. I don't like it. That opinion, however, is hardly worth the time it took to type out, scientifically speaking.

Why not just ask what's north of the North Pole?

Because the premise is invalid.

I don't particularly like the North Pole analogy myself, as the intuitively-obvious, though technically-incorrect answer to that is "south." Uphill and mountaintops seem... More illustrative by virtue of the modifier "up."

Rest of your post is irrelevant.

Ask irrelevant questions - receive irrelevant answers.

[zorkan]

I was referring to the M theory,

What does the M stand for?

The fabric of the Universe, I suppose is the term I'm looking for on this way-too-early morning. It's an incomplete, though valiant enough attempt at a Theory of Everything, and one thing to arise from it, is the potential for such "cosmic membranes" colliding giving rise to spacetimes like our own.

For which there is zero evidence, even from Brian Greene.

I don't particularly like the North Pole analogy myself, as the intuitively-obvious, though technically-incorrect answer to that is "south." Uphill and mountaintops seem... More illustrative by virtue of the modifier "up."

Go north of the North Pole and you move toward the South Pole.
Simples.

[Old Seer]

Desert Varnish appears to be a purely chemical behaviour. Very interesting though.

Desert varnish my very well be caused by chemical action. My experience with sunlight action on material starts as a teen. Mother had a blue clothes pin bag hanging on the end of the clothesline. Over time the sun side faded to almost white. The other side remained a weathered blue. My desert experience began at 29 palms CA. Recent experience is at Quartzsite AZ where I spend winters prospecting. I found a meteorite in in the ditch West of the town at Diablo Pass on I-10.In my learning of meteorites I came across desert varnish. The meteor color was cased  by heat and is the same color as most rocks in that area. Rocks that haven't been disturbed are different colored on the underside.  Of course I'm dealing with theories, photons moving at light velocity may cause the same effects produced by a collider splitting particles. 

[Old Seer]

I'll be go ta heck, look at this.

https://x.com/i/status/1806434150527689127

[Asmodean]

Go north of the North Pole and you move toward the South Pole.
Simples.

You... didn't think this through, did you? Or skimmed over my response a little too quickly?

The South Pole does not lie north of the North Pole.

This does illustrate the problem I have with the North Pole analogy though. People think of that house with every window facing south and what-else-have-you and... Miss what's important.

[Icarus]

The world is spherical, or so we have been led to believe. If one marches northward past the north pole, when he continues in the same direction he will be heading southward.

If I was forced to be in the vicinity of the north pole I would definitely try to head southward either over the top, or any other appropriate way, in order to get my poor frozen ass to Costa Rico or some other warm place.

[Asmodean]

If one marches northward past the north pole,

...One marches straight into a different coordinate system. There is no "more north" past the North Pole. It is a coordinate singularity.

when he continues in the same direction he will be heading southward.

"In the same direction" is not the same as "northward." 

If I was forced to be in the vicinity of the north pole I would definitely try to head southward either over the top, or any other appropriate way, in order to get my poor frozen ass to Costa Rico or some other warm place.

...And as fortune would have it, that particular kind of singularity would not keep your mildly frigid bottom from being on its way to more pleasant climates, as long as it's not North. Plus, the Asmo tries to help by burning diesel. Maybe nowhere near american rates, but hey, He's trying here.

[zorkan]

The South Pole does not lie north of the North Pole.

Where did I say it does?

[Asmodean]

The South Pole does not lie north of the North Pole.

Where did I say it does?

Go north of the North Pole and you move toward the South Pole.
Simples.

Right here. Right *point* there where it says, "Go north of the North Pole and you move toward the South Pole."

EDIT: for clarity, the correct way of addressing this would be, "if you move northward along a geodesic that crosses the North Pole, your direction of travel changes to southward at the North Pole." This is not a matter of linguistic tricks and ambiguities - it's about describing reality in adequately comprehensive manner. When you stand precisely at the North Pole, the only direction you can move along the surface of the Earth is south. Having taken even one step, you can start adding lateral components, or even "northwardness," as you can reverse the step you just took.

[zorkan]

That's not what I meant.
Having reached the North Pole you can only walk south.

[Asmodean]

Yes.

However, then you are not going north from the North Pole.

Again, this may have the outward appearance of a semantic argument, but it is not. (South is "anti-north." Thus, you cannot adequately describe moving south in terms of a positive northward movement. If you move anti-north from the North Pole, then yes, you are moving south. If you are moving north from the North Pole, however, then you abandon the coordinate system of which the North Pole is a singularity precisely at that singularity - in this case, by for example leaving the surface of the Earth.)

So,
You can go north until you reach the North Pole. From there, you can no longer go North.
You can climb a mountain until you reach its peak. from there, you can no longer climb up it.

That's "what black holes do," in layman terms; they remove that thing you can do without [Edit: as in, outside/"this" side of the singularity] them at the point of singularity. There is no north beyond the North Pole. There is no uphill beyond the mountaintop. There is no spacetime beyond a spacetime singularity. That's not to say that something else isn't there, but then neither is it to say that something else is.

[zorkan]

South is "anti-north.

Only here.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/south-korean-ap-kim-jong-un-seoul-pyongyang-b2566358.html