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Started by Me_Be, March 16, 2024, 10:48:56 AM

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Old Seer

Reality cannot change. If one thinks it changed then what was wasn't reality. One was/is merely deceived.  :)
The only thing possible the world needs saving from are the ones running it.
Oh lord, save us from those wanting to save us.
I'm not a Theist.

Old Seer

Reality cannot be created as it already exists, it can only be encountered. Reality that is created by people isn't necessarily reality but merely an idea (authority) to manipulate or control others.  ;)
The only thing possible the world needs saving from are the ones running it.
Oh lord, save us from those wanting to save us.
I'm not a Theist.

Asmodean

Quote from: Old Seer on May 08, 2024, 01:35:06 PMReality cannot change. If one thinks it changed then what was wasn't reality. One was/is merely deceived.  :)
Two particles collide and different particles are created from the combined energy of the collision. That is change.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Old Seer

The Particles  may not have been created, they may have been already been present and broken apart from the main body of a cluster. A new reality has not been created , one has been encountered. :)   
The only thing possible the world needs saving from are the ones running it.
Oh lord, save us from those wanting to save us.
I'm not a Theist.

Asmodean

Well, they are not broken off, per se... Them's the limitations of colloquial language.

I prefer system analysis as it is a little more illustrative. A electric kettle does not exist without a heating element (something resembling it might, but whatever it may be, it is not an electric kettle) and a heating element does not an electric kettle make.

Reality at time t is "a freeze frame" of the universe at time t. As such, it is subject to change, with time being the [more obvious among several] variable.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

zorkan

All particles were created by the Big Bang in under a second.
They were given mass by a short lived field known as the Inflaton or "Higgs".

Asmodean

Well... No.

Matter and energy are two sides of the same coin. Matter can be converted to energy and energy can be converted to matter.

My understanding is that it is interacting with the Higgs field that keeps the massive particles massive, but I must admit that my Higgs mechanics are of YouTube-variety at best.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

zorkan

Are you saying that matter can be created by energy?
Give examples.

Old Seer

Proposing this part of the conversion (beginning with particle physics) be moved to the science forum. :) 
The only thing possible the world needs saving from are the ones running it.
Oh lord, save us from those wanting to save us.
I'm not a Theist.

Tank

Quote from: zorkan on June 06, 2024, 04:14:16 PMAre you saying that matter can be created by energy?
Give examples.


The Universe. It was only energy when it started. Plenty of mass now.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

The Magic Pudding..

If you suffer from cosmic vertigo, don't look.

zorkan

Quote from: Tank on June 07, 2024, 08:20:12 AMThe Universe. It was only energy when it started. Plenty of mass now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Three_Minutes

If particles have been created since, they are very short lived virtual particles which fill the void in space.
Then they are gone, just like that last post.
I guess there could be a universe where whole objects appear out of nothing.
But not in this one.

Icarus

Everyone knows that God did it

zorkan

What did god do before he did it?

Icarus

^^ That was sarcasm aimed toward all those hard shell Christians out there in the fantasy world.