Contridictions in the Bible

[curiosityandthecat]

So a perfectly loving and just God sends both the unfortunate blind and deaf guy to the same heaven as the rich douche?

God wants all his children to come to heaven. This is why he sent his son to die for our sins.  The Bible is clear that sinful man cannot stand in the presence of God with out being destroyed.  But the government of God cannot have sin in heaven.  Gods goal is to undo the damage that Satin started and bring the universe back to the perfection it once enjoyed.

Revelation 21:1

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

And this answers my question... how?

Also, remember, God knows all, right? God knew Satan would do all those things before Satan was even created. All the suffering supposedly inflicted on the world by the devil is, ultimately, the responsibility of God.

[BuckeyeInNC]

Have you read my post? you assume that God made them mute, it does not say that.

Leviticus absolutely says that God made them mute . . . . . I am through with your idiocy . .

[McQ]

To MCQ, Lae and whoever else is a mod in this section, sorry that my last post was a little caustic. I'll tone it down.

It just galls me that this guy can't even be bothered to read the past posts in these forums where this crap has been hashed, hashed, and rehashed to death.

I'm done posting in this specific thread. This guy is too far gone.

Mikey, I have no problem whatsoever with your post. I'm on the same page with you. I will go as far as to say that I have doubts about him not being some prankster trying to yank peoples' chains, pretending to be a creationist nut-job.

[Recusant]

Intrangisence; no doubt, but idiocy, no.   )

[Man-ofGod]

Have you read my post? you assume that God made them mute, it does not say that.

Leviticus absolutely says that God made them mute . . . . . I am through with your idiocy . .

Wow, reread thread please

The comparison was between Exodus 4:11 and Leviticus 21:17-23..

[Man-ofGod]

So a perfectly loving and just God sends both the unfortunate blind and deaf guy to the same heaven as the rich douche?

God wants all his children to come to heaven. This is why he sent his son to die for our sins.  The Bible is clear that sinful man cannot stand in the presence of God with out being destroyed.  But the government of God cannot have sin in heaven.  Gods goal is to undo the damage that Satin started and bring the universe back to the perfection it once enjoyed.

Revelation 21:1

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

And this answers my question... how?

Ill try it a different way. Those who repent and love God will be in heaven.  So if the rich douche repents and loves God, he will be in heaven, if the unfortunate blind guy repents and loves God, he will be in heaven.

Also, remember, God knows all, right? God knew Satan would do all those things before Satan was even created. All the suffering supposedly inflicted on the world by the devil is, ultimately, the responsibility of God.

Do you really want the answer or do you just want to argue?  The real answer involves scripture.

Short answer is everyone has a choice.  Satin claimed Gods laws were unfair, as people do today.  If God destroyed Satin, would that prove Satin was wrong and would love continue to exist in heaven or would the host be more fearful then loving of their creator?  

God knew the human race was going to fall but still created us.  If you somehow could know that your child was going to be a murderer or  a terrorist, would you end his/her life? God is willing to let intelligent beings make their choice, but if he is to allow this, he is also willing to allow those beings to experience the consequence of their sin.  Nevertheless, the human race is an example of what happens when there is a fallen away from Gods commandments.

[curiosityandthecat]

Ill try it a different way. Those who repent and love God will be in heaven.  So if the rich douche repents and loves God, he will be in heaven, if the unfortunate blind guy repents and loves God, he will be in heaven.

And you don't see anything unjust about that situation? Speaking of unfortunate and blind...

Do you really want the answer or do you just want to argue?  The real answer involves scripture.

Well of course I want to argue. So do you. Otherwise you wouldn't be here.

Short answer is everyone has a choice.  Satin claimed Gods laws were unfair, as people do today.  If God destroyed Satin, would that prove Satin was wrong and would love continue to exist in heaven or would the host be more fearful then loving of their creator?  

God wants fear. That's how it operates. Surely you've heard the phrases "putting the fear of God into someone" or "a God-fearing child".

God knew the human race was going to fall but still created us.  If you somehow could know that your child was going to be a murderer or  a terrorist, would you end his/her life? God is willing to let intelligent beings make their choice, but if he is to allow this, he is also willing to allow those beings to experience the consequence of their sin.  Nevertheless, the human race is an example of what happens when there is a fallen away from Gods commandments.

Interesting question about the child. In utero? Yes. I'd have it aborted. After birth? I'd have it put in custody so it couldn't happen. Then again, I'm a cold-hearted prick, so...

Some people aren't experiencing the consequences of their sins. They're experiencing the consequences of other peoples' sins. Unless you're saying that when one human sins, everyone sins. In which case, I'm afraid we've reached the end of this little ride, because I refuse to argue with anyone who takes up a position that insane.

[Man-ofGod]

To MCQ, Lae and whoever else is a mod in this section, sorry that my last post was a little caustic. I'll tone it down.

It just galls me that this guy can't even be bothered to read the past posts in these forums where this crap has been hashed, hashed, and rehashed to death.

I'm done posting in this specific thread. This guy is too far gone.

Mikey, I have no problem whatsoever with your post. I'm on the same page with you. I will go as far as to say that I have doubts about him not being some prankster trying to yank peoples' chains, pretending to be a creationist nut-job.

 

[Man-ofGod]

And you don't see anything unjust about that situation? Speaking of unfortunate and blind...

If the unforutnately and blind is not willing to turn from his sin, why would that be unjust.  Just because you are unfortunatel or blind does not give you a green card to break the laws on this earth or in heaven. On earth you go to jail for murder.  In the same way, you that person made a choice not to join Gods kingdom.  As it turns out, I am sure their will be plenty of blind and unfortunate that will be in heaven.

John 9:39-41

39 Then Jesus told him,[a] “I entered this world to render judgmentâ€"to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind.”
 40 Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, “Are you saying we’re blind?”
 41 “If you were blind, you wouldn’t be guilty,” Jesus replied. “But you remain guilty because you claim you can see.

Well of course I want to argue. So do you. Otherwise you wouldn't be here.

Like Morpheus said to Neo,  "free your mind."

God wants fear. That's how it operates. Surely you've heard the phrases "putting the fear of God into someone" or "a God-fearing child".

Its a conservative term, and fear is a term that humans can understand.  But ultimately, God wants love.  Obviously, Satin did not fear God, which was his mistake. He took Jesus meek character as evidence for weakness.


36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment.

Interesting question about the child. In utero? Yes. I'd have it aborted. After birth? I'd have it put in custody so it couldn't happen. Then again, I'm a cold-hearted prick, so...

Appreciate your honestly. Well God is perfect in love.  He gives everyone their chance to repent,  It is the only reason why he has not come yet.

Some people aren't experiencing the consequences of their sins. They're experiencing the consequences of other peoples' sins. Unless you're saying that when one human sins, everyone sins. In which case, I'm afraid we've reached the end of this little ride, because I refuse to argue with anyone who takes up a position that insane.

Their is gross negligence as a result in sin, and innocent people feel the results.  Jesus is an example of that.  He took on all the results of sin at the cross.  Again, this is why God is trying to bring as many people into his kingdom, so when this fallen world is destroyed, sin will be a thing of the past.

[curiosityandthecat]

I'm not entirely sure I got any answers there...  

[BuckeyeInNC]

I'm not entirely sure I got any answers there...  

You won't.  Man-of-Idiocy cannot think nor digest.  He can only spout the same crap over and over again.

[PipeBox]

I'm not entirely sure I got any answers there...  

You won't.  Man-of-Idiocy cannot think nor digest.  He can only spout the same crap over and over again.

That's a tad caustic.
I'd say I have as much right to be pissed at him as anyone else.  He hasn't answered for any of his attacks on valid science nor his unyielding acceptance of myth (the flood) in the face of reality, but I don't think insulting him is gonna do anything but make him feel convicted.  I'd rather calmly point out where he is in error.  After all, we have the facts, it's his loss if he won't accept them.

I'll go ahead and say that his explanation for the deaf and blind is good enough to move on to another question.  That being why we got such a myriad of unequally distributed punishments.  Separate post for that...

[PipeBox]

OK, this isn't a contradiction, it's just something for which I can tell you there is no good answer.  Apparently there were no ailments prior to sin.  No non-beneficial mutations, either.  So man sins.  God decides man's punishment.  He elects that women deserve laborious childbirth, men deserve to farm, and that snakes deserve to all crawl on the ground and bite at and get stomped on by man (despite the fact that the serpent either was Satan or an evil agent of him).  Apparently, somewhere, we got all mental and physical disabilities thrown in, and many animals became carnivorous, including the carnivorous plants (flytrap) that could not have survived without eating other critters.  Ring worms and tape worms were docile and ate, I dunno, dirt before man sinned.  Asteroids and comets began zigging around.  Oh, yeah, and thorns.  Oh, right, and of course, to top all that off, hell.

God is apparently in the business of fooling us, as all the apparently basal forms of modern evolved creatures were in the garden too.  Why we don't find modern critters fossilized in the same strata as these simultaneously-existing forms is something literalists cannot answer for.

See, I'm realizing there aren't that many contradictions in the Bible, just like there aren't that many contradiction in Harry Potter.  All these writers thought they were speaking of the same god, as they never bothered to say that the other guy had it wrong in their description.  Yahweh was the god of the day, and everyone had an oral story to tell.  And these tended to not directly conflict each other, just like Star Wars fanfic doesn't today.  But here's the thing:  Star Wars, Harry Potter, and the collection of books called the Bible all have one thing in common:  they don't represent reality.

There are too many problems with a literal interpretation of the Bible to smooth over using anything short of blind faith.  But hey, at least it's fairly internally consistent.  Even if OT God was a monster that burned cities for disobedience, and then because his law was "fulfilled" he backed off the killing, it's still arguably internally consistent.  So I think I'm done, as I never had any blatant contradictions to offer you.  I mean, even the thing about Pi is the Bible contradicting reality, not the Bible contradicting itself.  I'm not sure it ever does, outside of figures you'd just smooth over, like a census difference of 300,000 people.

I think I'm done with this thread, but no hard feelings MOG.

[joeactor]

All,

Please refrain from any personal insults or caustic comments.
They are not tolerated on this forum.

Either keep it civil, or don't post it.

(we now return to your discussion, already in progress)
JoeActor

[McQ]

Still waiting, MOG. How did Judas die?

Also, you mentioned this statement:

Bringing up polonium halos demonstrates that I do not know what I am talking about?

Yes, it does, as do a few other things you bring up. And you incorrectly assume that no one here knows the bible. I would wager that a few of us here know it much better than you, along with the basic sciences that you seem to be so totally ignorant of.

So, without further side stepping.....

go right ahead.