Contridictions in the Bible

[PipeBox]

Blah!  I'll bite.

This isn't technically a contradiction, just an "eh, what?" situation.
In Exodus 4:11, God says plainly that he makes people deaf, dumb and blind.
In Leviticus 21:17-23, God (through Moses) tells Aaron he doesn't want anyone with any kind of disability to offer sacrifices or even approach the alter.  God actually says this would be profaning his sanctuaries.

Now, while God is free to maim people and then say he considers their presence profane because they are maimed, it doesn't make sense.

[Hitsumei]

Guy, the bible says that PI is equal to 3, bats are birds, and that all living land species lived within walking distance of Noah's house...

You said this before, what do you mean by the Bible saying PI = 3?

The other stuff is creation arguments, which I am avoiding on this thread. Their is already a Man-ofGod vs Evolution thread if you care to discuss that there.

I Kings 7:23-26: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. Below the rim, gourds encircled it - ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths."

[Tom62]

Health ethics - The health ethics in the Bible are flawless. Another testimony to the truth of the Bible.

From Leviticus

14:2  This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest
14:3 And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;
14:4 Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean , and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
14:5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
14:6 As for the living bird, he shall take it , and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:   
14:7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.

I don't know about you, but I've got more trust in modern medicine.

[PipeBox]

Health ethics - The health ethics in the Bible are flawless. Another testimony to the truth of the Bible.

From Leviticus

14:2  This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest
14:3 And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;
14:4 Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean , and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
14:5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
14:6 As for the living bird, he shall take it , and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:   
14:7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.

I don't know about you, but I've got more trust in modern medicine.

That is brilliant.  Thanks for finding it, Tom, I never knew it was there, and it's pretty far off from "don't eat pork or have sex with women on their period."  

[Man-ofGod]

Guy, the bible says that PI is equal to 3, bats are birds, and that all living land species lived within walking distance of Noah's house...

You said this before, what do you mean by the Bible saying PI = 3?

The other stuff is creation arguments, which I am avoiding on this thread. Their is already a Man-ofGod vs Evolution thread if you care to discuss that there.

I Kings 7:23-26: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. Below the rim, gourds encircled it - ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths."

not following?

[Man-ofGod]

Health ethics - The health ethics in the Bible are flawless. Another testimony to the truth of the Bible.

From Leviticus

14:2  This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest
14:3 And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;
14:4 Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean , and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
14:5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
14:6 As for the living bird, he shall take it , and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:   
14:7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.

I don't know about you, but I've got more trust in modern medicine.

The old testament was a shadow of things to come.

Hebrews 10:1-3

1 The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. 2 If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared.
 3 But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year.

 

Two Birds--One Dipped in Blood.--The wonderful symbol of the living bird dipped in the blood of the bird slain and then set free to its joyous life, is to us the symbol of the atonement. There were death and life blended, presenting to the searcher for truth the hidden treasure, the union of the pardoning blood with the resurrection and life of our Redeemer. The bird slain was over living water; that flowing stream was a symbol of the ever flowing, ever cleansing efficacy of the blood of Christ, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the fountain that was open for Judah and Jerusalem, wherein they may wash and be clean from every stain of sin. We are to have free access to the atoning blood of Christ. This we must regard as the most precious privilege, the greatest blessing, ever granted to sinful man. And how little is made of this great gift! How deep, how wide and continuous is this stream! To every soul thirsting after holiness there is repose, there is rest, there is the quickening influence of the Holy Spirit, and then the holy, happy, peaceful walk and precious communion with Christ. Then, oh, then, can we intelligently say with John, "Behold the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world"

[curiosityandthecat]

You know what always makes me question my position as an atheist? Bible passages. Gets me every time.

 

[Man-ofGod]

You know what always makes me question my position as an atheist? Bible passages. Gets me every time.

 

Are we not discussing the Bible?  If were going to argue over Bible truth, then quoting scriptures is inevitable. Do not worry, you can be pragmatic about this if you want.  Most people are.

[curiosityandthecat]

Humor is often a great subtle way to disregard truth. Very powerful indeed.

You ever been in an situation where you knew you were wrong ( I know hard to imagine) and used humor to escape it? It works wonders.

Humor is also often a great and subtle way to highlight ludicrousness and inanity without coming right out and saying it. Very powerful, indeed!

I'm never wrong. I'm like McQ: infallible.  

[Man-ofGod]

Humor is often a great subtle way to disregard truth. Very powerful indeed.

You ever been in an situation where you knew you were wrong ( I know hard to imagine) and used humor to escape it? It works wonders.

Humor is also often a great and subtle way to highlight ludicrousness and inanity without coming right out and saying it. Very powerful, indeed!

I'm never wrong. I'm like McQ: infallible.  

[McQ]

How did Judas die?

[curiosityandthecat]

Judas never dies!



(Where's Squid when you need him? Hah.)

[MikeyV]

not following?

Let's break it down then, shall we?

I Kings 7:23-26: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. Below the rim, gourds encircled it - ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths."

That would be the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, or pi. That ratio works out to be 30:10 or 3. Considering that ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, and a slew of other civilizations knew that pi is not 3, the Hebrew god has no excuse for his error. So that means one of two things. Either the Hebrew god doesn't understand geometry, or a fallible human being wrote that passage. If a fallible human wrote it, he made a mathematical error, ergo, the bible is fallible, Q.E.D.

Que the mental gymnastics in 5, 4, 3...

[MikeyV]

So again, what is the point of arguing with the willfully ignorant?

I've missed you, Mikey.  

Hiya Rose!

[Hitsumei]

not following?

Let's break it down then, shall we?

I Kings 7:23-26: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. Below the rim, gourds encircled it - ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths."

That would be the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, or pi. That ratio works out to be 30:10 or 3. Considering that ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, and a slew of other civilizations knew that pi is not 3, the Hebrew god has no excuse for his error. So that means one of two things. Either the Hebrew god doesn't understand geometry, or a fallible human being wrote that passage. If a fallible human wrote it, he made a mathematical error, ergo, the bible is fallible, Q.E.D.

Que the mental gymnastics in 5, 4, 3...

The worst part is that knowing the diameter, or circumference of a circle is all that is required to calculate the other figure, so not only was the measurement of the circumference or diameter faulty, but it was not even necessary to offer both. Clearly whomever wrote that passage was simply poor at geometry.