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Started by Tank, June 29, 2011, 12:29:23 PM

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Sweetdeath

It would be nice when that line is gone, and biggots stop viewing heterosexuals as the only normal.
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Sweetdeath

Quote from: Amicale on June 21, 2012, 10:35:11 PM


Not so long ago, the whole debate over whether black people could marry white people was raging, and people were vehemently opposed to it. The protesters against gay marriage and gay people in general really do look just that silly, at least to me.

Once the current generation (early 30s and under) starts to get older, I think the next big issue coming up will be either plural marriage (more than 2 people in the marriage) or possibly transgender issues - although prettymuch anyone I know close to my age (late 20s) has no issue with gay marriage, the jury's still out for a lot of people my age on trans issues. The issues aren't understood very well, as not too many people know anyone who is trans.

But anyhow, I'm perfectly happy that within a generation or so, gay relationships/marriage etc won't probably be an issue. It shouldn't be. As for whether it's a choice or a predisposition... again, shouldn't be an issue. Many of us are somewhere on a fluid, sliding scale, not being absolutely gay or absolutely straight. I'm not 100% one way or the other, although I lean further to one side for sure. It's just a matter of diversity, I think. I also think such categories are really too narrowly defined.


I am also happy people my age (26)could care less about sexual orientation.
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Firebird

I'm really glad to see that homophobia is on the decline. It also confuses me to no end. How can the US simultaneously become more religious, with more evangelical influence in the political sphere, and yet such a large increase in acceptable of homosexuality? It doesn't seem to add up.
"Great, replace one book about an abusive, needy asshole with another." - Will (moderator) on replacing hotel Bibles with "Fifty Shades of Grey"

Sweetdeath

Quote from: Firebird on June 22, 2012, 04:25:26 AM
I'm really glad to see that homophobia is on the decline. It also confuses me to no end. How can the US simultaneously become more religious, with more evangelical influence in the political sphere, and yet such a large increase in acceptable of homosexuality? It doesn't seem to add up.

We have more rural areas in states like Utah and Ohio that care about politics and religion, so they keep voting in the arseholes? ;_;. i dunno... I'm hoping shit will change soon.

I did meet a woman from Estonia today. It felt amazing to meet someone from the least religious country in the world. *___*
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Asmodean

Quote from: Sweetdeath on June 21, 2012, 10:41:32 PM
I am also happy people my age (26)could care less about sexual orientation.
I think you may have forgotten the 'nt behind could. What you DID say is that 26 year olds could, in fact, care less about sexual orientation and that you are happy about it  :P
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Sweetdeath

Quote from: Asmodean on June 22, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on June 21, 2012, 10:41:32 PM
I am also happy people my age (26)could care less about sexual orientation.
I think you may have forgotten the 'nt behind could. What you DID say is that 26 year olds could, in fact, care less about sexual orientation and that you are happy about it  :P

Seems my grammatical errors extend to my laptop. Curses!!
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Firebird

Quote from: Sweetdeath on June 23, 2012, 05:37:18 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on June 22, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on June 21, 2012, 10:41:32 PM
I am also happy people my age (26)could care less about sexual orientation.
I think you may have forgotten the 'nt behind could. What you DID say is that 26 year olds could, in fact, care less about sexual orientation and that you are happy about it  :P

Seems my grammatical errors extend to my laptop. Curses!!

Not really, that's a very common saying here, even if it technically means the opposite of what the person means. Just one of those things that's permeated the language.
"Great, replace one book about an abusive, needy asshole with another." - Will (moderator) on replacing hotel Bibles with "Fifty Shades of Grey"

Ecurb Noselrub

Quote from: Firebird on June 22, 2012, 04:25:26 AM
I'm really glad to see that homophobia is on the decline. It also confuses me to no end. How can the US simultaneously become more religious, with more evangelical influence in the political sphere, and yet such a large increase in acceptable of homosexuality? It doesn't seem to add up.

The US is not becoming more religious.  Some of the religious are becoming more vocal, as the society is becoming more polarized.  There is actually a decline in faith/religion.

Sweetdeath

Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 23, 2012, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: Firebird on June 22, 2012, 04:25:26 AM
I'm really glad to see that homophobia is on the decline. It also confuses me to no end. How can the US simultaneously become more religious, with more evangelical influence in the political sphere, and yet such a large increase in acceptable of homosexuality? It doesn't seem to add up.

The US is not becoming more religious.  Some of the religious are becoming more vocal, as the society is becoming more polarized.  There is actually a decline in faith/religion.

statistics?
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Guardian85



Non-religious population up in every US state according to the 2008 "Aris study".


"If scientist means 'not the dumbest motherfucker in the room,' I guess I'm a scientist, then."
-Unknown Smartass-

Tank

Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 23, 2012, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: Firebird on June 22, 2012, 04:25:26 AM
I'm really glad to see that homophobia is on the decline. It also confuses me to no end. How can the US simultaneously become more religious, with more evangelical influence in the political sphere, and yet such a large increase in acceptable of homosexuality? It doesn't seem to add up.

The US is not becoming more religious.  Some of the religious are becoming more vocal, as the society is becoming more polarized.  There is actually a decline in faith/religion.
Very interesting. This was my hypothesis back in 2006 when I joined RDF that as Religions are marginalised they become more 'concentrated' in terms of unflinching believers.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Firebird

Quote from: Guardian85 on June 24, 2012, 07:44:07 PM


Non-religious population up in every US state according to the 2008 "Aris study".

Interesting. I stand happily corrected in that case.
"Great, replace one book about an abusive, needy asshole with another." - Will (moderator) on replacing hotel Bibles with "Fifty Shades of Grey"

Sandra Craft

Quote from: Firebird on June 24, 2012, 09:37:17 PM
Interesting. I stand happily corrected in that case.

I'm not that happy.  My state, hedonistic Sodom that is CA, is still on the low end of the scale.  Liberal state, my ass.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Asmodean

Is it just me, or is Delaware sporting the "South" color? Or is number three from the left some other place?

Correct me if my geography is even more rusty than I thought, but is it not somewhere North-like, around Pensylvannia?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Firebird

Quote from: Asmodean on June 25, 2012, 02:43:52 AM
Is it just me, or is Delaware sporting the "South" color? Or is number three from the left some other place?

Correct me if my geography is even more rusty than I thought, but is it not somewhere North-like, around Pensylvannia?

You are correct, it is south of Pennsylvania and New Jersey, east of Maryland. I would not have classified it as a southern state either, and am surprised they did.
Seeing Wyoming so high on the list was surprising too.
"Great, replace one book about an abusive, needy asshole with another." - Will (moderator) on replacing hotel Bibles with "Fifty Shades of Grey"