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Started by Stevil, January 22, 2012, 01:10:05 AM

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xSilverPhinx

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2012, 01:46:47 AM
Quote from: Guardian85 on January 24, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
It sounds to me like you don't need a fictional god or devil to communicate with you.

Given the attributes Ed has assigned his god, I'm having a hard time knowing how one would distinguish between this god and Satan?


Or this god and Egor himself? ???
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MadBomr101

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2012, 01:46:47 AM
Quote from: Guardian85 on January 24, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
It sounds to me like you don't need a fictional god or devil to communicate with you.

Given the attributes Ed has assigned his god, I'm having a hard time knowing how one would distinguish between this god and Satan?


Or this god and Egor himself? ???

Or god and schizophrenia.
- Bomr
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Sandra Craft

Quote from: MadBomr101 on January 25, 2012, 02:16:23 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2012, 01:46:47 AM
Quote from: Guardian85 on January 24, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
It sounds to me like you don't need a fictional god or devil to communicate with you.

Given the attributes Ed has assigned his god, I'm having a hard time knowing how one would distinguish between this god and Satan?


Or this god and Egor himself? ???

Or god and schizophrenia.

God as an expression of schizophrenia  -- isn't there an actual, clinical name for that?
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Stevil

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2012, 03:34:23 AM
God as an expression of schizophrenia  -- isn't there an actual, clinical name for that?
There ought to be, it is quite common.
One of my friends had a flatmate once with this issue.
He thought god was talking to him from the tv set.
He took some drugs to suppress this, but sometimes forgot to take them.

Sweetdeath

My dad often speaks about knowing when the rapture will come and what happens after death. Aparrently god lives within all of us.

I kinda wonder if I can put him away in a hospital somewhere. X_x...
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Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

MadBomr101

Quote from: Sweetdeath on January 25, 2012, 04:34:10 AM
My dad often speaks about knowing when the rapture will come and what happens after death. Aparrently god lives within all of us.

I kinda wonder if I can put him away in a hospital somewhere. X_x...

That's probably for the best.   ;)
- Bomr
I'm waiting for the movie of my life to be made.  It should cost about $7.23 and that includes the budget for special effects.

Egor

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Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2012, 01:46:47 AM

Given the attributes Ed has assigned his god, I'm having a hard time knowing how one would distinguish between this god and Satan?


God created Satan. Satan serves a very specific purpose. Why do you act like you didn't know this before?

What is it about the term "God" you people can't get? If there is a God, there is nothing in the universe that has power over God. Not in the spiritual realm, not in the physical realm. There is nothing God is not responsible for and there is nothing you can say or do about God.

You know, it's not even about whether or not God exists; it's your complete lack of understanding as to what the term "God" with a capital G even means. I mean seriously, are you an atheist because you oppose the institutional definition of a Christian God? I cannot believe how hung up atheists are on beating down the redneck definition of God. Why don't you think about God a bit. You don't have to believe He exists, but just play a little game in your mind and imagine what the term "God" really means--if he did exist. If you come to a certain terror, then you're on the right track. That terror is the first understanding of God.

I cannot believe the shallowness of your understanding. Y'all really ought to call yourselves agnostics.
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Guardian85

Quote from: MadBomr101 on January 25, 2012, 02:16:23 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2012, 01:46:47 AM
Quote from: Guardian85 on January 24, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
It sounds to me like you don't need a fictional god or devil to communicate with you.

Given the attributes Ed has assigned his god, I'm having a hard time knowing how one would distinguish between this god and Satan?


Or this god and Egor himself? ???

Or god and schizophrenia.

Which was my point all along...


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Tristan Jay

Quote from: Egor on January 25, 2012, 06:47:14 AMY'all really ought to call yourselves agnostics.

From where I stand, a lot of what atheists discuss that they have a problem with or a question about are questions and problems that I also have.  I continue to look for answers, however I've not seen a single satisfactory answer to many things that atheists bring up, with regards to God being good, just, wise, perfect, consistent, loving, anything.  Yet I am a theist.  There are so many reasons why I've hated God for most of my life; a 10-year stint within the ranks of Christianity did nothing to persuade me, so now I have returned to my default mode.  Maybe it doesn't make any sense, but I figure that's okay because from where I stand, the Universe, God, and entirely too many humans do not make sense.

Sandra Craft

Quote from: Egor on January 25, 2012, 06:47:14 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2012, 01:46:47 AM

Given the attributes Ed has assigned his god, I'm having a hard time knowing how one would distinguish between this god and Satan?


God created Satan. Satan serves a very specific purpose. Why do you act like you didn't know this before?

Because I don't know that and, unless you can prove it, neither do you.  This is just one more thing you've made up.  And your version of god is very difficult to distinguish from Satan, as if you've done a mash up of the two for convenience.

QuoteWhat is it about the term "God" you people can't get? If there is a God, there is nothing in the universe that has power over God. Not in the spiritual realm, not in the physical realm. There is nothing God is not responsible for and there is nothing you can say or do about God.

What is it that you don't get that until you can prove it all you've got is a story you've made up?

QuoteYou know, it's not even about whether or not God exists; it's your complete lack of understanding as to what the term "God" with a capital G even means. I mean seriously, are you an atheist because you oppose the institutional definition of a Christian God? I cannot believe how hung up atheists are on beating down the redneck definition of God. Why don't you think about God a bit. You don't have to believe He exists, but just play a little game in your mind and imagine what the term "God" really means--if he did exist. If you come to a certain terror, then you're on the right track. That terror is the first understanding of God.

Taken a look at politics in America lately?  As for the rest of it, most of us grow up thinking about god and assuming the stories everyone tells us must be real because why would anyone lie about a thing like that?  It's when we really think about it that the atheism comes in, since for many of us our reaction to the closely examined idea of a god is laughter at its absurdity, not terror.

QuoteI cannot believe the shallowness of your understanding. Y'all really ought to call yourselves agnostics.

And we have a hard time believing the shallowness of your acceptance.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Traveler

Quote from: Egor on January 25, 2012, 06:47:14 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2012, 01:46:47 AM

Given the attributes Ed has assigned his god, I'm having a hard time knowing how one would distinguish between this god and Satan?


God created Satan. Satan serves a very specific purpose. Why do you act like you didn't know this before?

What is it about the term "God" you people can't get? If there is a God, there is nothing in the universe that has power over God. Not in the spiritual realm, not in the physical realm. There is nothing God is not responsible for and there is nothing you can say or do about God.

You know, it's not even about whether or not God exists; it's your complete lack of understanding as to what the term "God" with a capital G even means. I mean seriously, are you an atheist because you oppose the institutional definition of a Christian God? I cannot believe how hung up atheists are on beating down the redneck definition of God. Why don't you think about God a bit. You don't have to believe He exists, but just play a little game in your mind and imagine what the term "God" really means--if he did exist. If you come to a certain terror, then you're on the right track. That terror is the first understanding of God.

I cannot believe the shallowness of your understanding. Y'all really ought to call yourselves agnostics.

Interesting. And obviously your opinion. But your opinion is quite different from christians I've talked with about it. Can you please elaborate instead of insulting us and telling us to think about god? Many have thought about god, but obviously have not come to the same conclusion that you have. We can't read your mind, and will not know what you believe about god unless you tell us. I've heard plenty of people say that god is love. I'm confused about how terror fits in. Thanks.
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Buddy

Satan has always confused me. God created satan to punish those who have sinned, correct? Sure, he may lead a few people astray and then punish them for eternity. But if he is keeping the wrong doers under lock and key in hell, wouldn't that make him a jail warden in comparison? Another thing, if satan ticks god off so much, why doesn't god just kill off satan. God is an all powerful being and nothing can stand in his way, right?
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Ecurb Noselrub

Quote from: Budhorse4 on January 25, 2012, 06:31:07 PM
Satan has always confused me. God created satan to punish those who have sinned, correct? Sure, he may lead a few people astray and then punish them for eternity. But if he is keeping the wrong doers under lock and key in hell, wouldn't that make him a jail warden in comparison? Another thing, if satan ticks god off so much, why doesn't god just kill off satan. God is an all powerful being and nothing can stand in his way, right?

"Satan" is from a Hebrew word for adversary.  It is the adversity in life that causes us to develop into beings capable of exercising moral judgment and discerning right from wrong.  Adversity is built into the fabric of the universe and the struggle created by it contributed to the evolution of the species. It has its place and purpose.

Buddy

Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 25, 2012, 06:42:27 PM

"Satan" is from a Hebrew word for adversary.  It is the adversity in life that causes us to develop into beings capable of exercising moral judgment and discerning right from wrong.  Adversity is built into the fabric of the universe and the struggle created by it contributed to the evolution of the species. It has its place and purpose.

Alright, that makes sense.  But what makes Satan truly "evil"?
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AnimatedDirt

Quote from: Budhorse4 on January 25, 2012, 06:52:13 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 25, 2012, 06:42:27 PM

"Satan" is from a Hebrew word for adversary.  It is the adversity in life that causes us to develop into beings capable of exercising moral judgment and discerning right from wrong.  Adversity is built into the fabric of the universe and the struggle created by it contributed to the evolution of the species. It has its place and purpose.

Alright, that makes sense.  But what makes Satan truly "evil"?

Opposite of Good.  It's 'design' is to harm.