Its Annoying When...

[karadan]

I forgot I had ignored Jats.

He still posts?

 

[fleamailman]

"...that's right, you heard the mod everyone, basically he was saying that you should let people write as they wish as long as they contents of their post was not offensive in nature..." went the goblin guessing that was what he meant even if the wording was probably not actually understood by most people now, continuing "...so I, for my part, do offer my sincerest apologies on behalf of the goblin fraternity and goblin's everywhere, hoping that by way of this goblin/human reconciliation here, once more peace could be restored across forumalnd, god bless you all then..."

[Thumpalumpacus]

Words are for communicating.  Anything that impedes communication should be jettisoned, including precious writing styles which only obfuscate the content.

That is kind of harsh, I never did make it through Ulysses, but I accept it has value.
I might work it out one day.
I don't recall any great speeches delivered in point form.
Words are for whatever we can make of them.
Play with a ball, word, or chord, what's it matter?
Should we leave it to priests and politicians?

The difference is between telling a story and interacting with another person.

There's certainly room for artistry in the written word, but when one is communicating, allowing the artistry to overcome the message is rather self-defeating, don't you think?

I love metaphor, synecdoche, analogy, tone, rhythm, and all the other things that go into writing well as much as the next amateur who writes for pleasure.  The art lies in harnessing technique so that it assists the transmission of the message.  

Carts don't pull horses; they can only impede them.

[fleamailman]

There's certainly room for artistry in the written word, but when one is communicating, allowing the artistry to overcome the message is rather self-defeating, don't you think? I love metaphor, synecdoche, analogy, tone, rhythm, and all the other things that go into writing well as much as the next amateur who writes for pleasure. The art lies in harnessing technique so that it assists the transmission of the message. Carts don't pull horses; they can only impede them.

"...and who is to judge which is horse and which is cart now..." asked the goblin knowing that if writing were to descend to it lowest level each time, most writer's wouldn't bother to write any more than readers would bother to read, continuing "...I'll repeat something again, the reader doesn't actually want what he expects from the author each time yet he still expects it, and any writer worth his salt plays on this, simply readers want more of the same where writers avoid that trap by keeping the reader in view but not heeding them..."

[PoopShoot]

The style is enervating. I don't like anyone who makes me walk a mile for a drink of water; it's inconsiderate of the reader.

"...wrong, one posts for oneself always, selfish I know, but selfless cannot be sustained in the run long, and one just becomes invisible to oneself that way..." replied the goblin, adding "...you see, readers ruin the writer in their expectations, for if I were to write as you suggest, you would be bored, more by those met expectations again than by anything that I might post contentwise...", and then the goblin had to ask "...yes, well I suppose I could lower the writing style and content somewhat Thumpalumpacus, so which poster's level are we talking about here, down to Davin's or right down to Poopshoot's then..."

Isn't sockpuppetry against the rules?

[PoopShoot]

Well, it is becoming more of a challenge to distinguish between a troll and those who choose to communicate circuitously, calling it an art form of some kind. Especially when those writers seem to revel in their writing martyrdom and wear it like a badge.

This is actually a good indicator of a troll by virtue of laying-bare their intentions.  Those who post for the sake of being persecuted are trolls.  Sock puppets are another dead giveaway.

[Jats]

Well, it is becoming more of a challenge to distinguish between a troll and those who choose to communicate circuitously, calling it an art form of some kind. Especially when those writers seem to revel in their writing martyrdom and wear it like a badge.

Any posts that serve no purpose but to purposely antagonize other members here are not in the general spirit of the Happy Atheist Forum, regardless of writing style. I hope that sentence is clear enough. If anyone's purpose is to obfuscate, irritate, antagonize, or otherwise simply tweak the figurative noses of others, I, and/or, the others mods ask that it stop.

I have no problem with people wanting to be creative. Although Live Writing is new to me, I don't have any real feeling on it one way or the other. But I'm starting to get one, and it isn't positive. So if all it is is a method to annoy the membership, I'll ask those who write in that style to keep from doing it if they are doing it only to elevate their own egos and denigrate those who don't use it.

In other words, don't be a pain in the ass just to be a pain in the ass. We have an entire section devoted to artistic and creative ideals. Have a blast with it. We learn new ways of expression and creativity all the time, and I'm happy to see something I've never seen before. There is no intolerance for writing style, only intolerance for for people wasting other peoples' time for their own enjoyment. Those people are forum trolls.

 I don't care what style you write in. Big Mac wasn't banned because of writing style. His style was very blunt and plain, and easy to read. He was banned because of the either worthless content or aggressive and antagonistic content, and attitude toward other members. Same will hold true for anyone here. I appreciate you all trying to understand that and keeping to this forum's guidelines and rules of civility. Thank you.

"...just playing catch up here, I think you had best look back and see as even to the untrained eye it was clear which two decided to elevate stating their opinion to putting the boot in, and using trolling methods that are oh so familiar, I however, have merely responded to posts aimed at me, or Flea now, in my own way of course, which I clearly asked in my welcome to be accepted for, or ignored, yet some can not, even though they kleep saying they are, and others may have a different opinion as yet not stated, for why should they say anything and risk the same treatment, and if they are allowed to continue then they who do read may learn some new ways of dealing with trolls, for we are well used to it, and the majority of my posts, as can be seen already, whatever you think of the style, are not for that use, but if they want to play, insist upon it (see above), there are plenty of posts in store that they may find relevant too then...let them make their choice then before you think on yours..." meanwhile the chameleon posts on regardless...

[PoopShoot]

I don't recall any great speeches delivered in point form.

And how many speeches have you seen that were delivered in a form designed to intentionally obscure meaningful understanding of the point?

[KebertX]

This.

[fleamailman]

Isn't sockpuppetry against the rules?

the goblin thanked Poopshoot for his somewhat amusing post and accusation that the goblin was some sort of sockpuppet, saying "...if you google my username, it runs into four pages, yahoo search it's eleven pages, and on facebook they say, though I can't see why because I'm don't there, I have something with seven million friends, hits, whatever addressed to me, whereas conversely if we google the username Poopshoot there is absolutely nothing anywhere that turns up something about that poster...", the goblin stopped, giving a little time to let it sink in, and then just continued "...so using this simple process, or spotcheck then, and knowing that identity can't be proven on this internet anyway, wouldn't the accuser here prefer to clear himself of his own accusation before he accuse me of it now...", in fact, the goblin had already agreed to let be here as requested by the mod, but just added one simply truth as something to think about, saying"...the reason why internet voting is not allowed is simply because "identity" cannot be proven, in effect we are all sockpuppets then, where photos, details and the like do not actually prove that we really are who we claim to be..."

[TheChainSmoker]

The weather changes from rainy to sunny to rainy in the course of one weekend.

Weekend?  Hell, around here it does that in one day.

Ha, same as down here ..
As well as cold to warm, to burning hot.

[The Magic Pudding]

There's certainly room for artistry in the written word, but when one is communicating, allowing the artistry to overcome the message is rather self-defeating, don't you think?

Sometimes.
Depends if it's a motherboard manual or a Dr Suess book.

And how many speeches have you seen that were delivered in a form designed to intentionally obscure meaningful understanding of the point?

Plenty, preachers, salesmen and politicians serve them up all the time.
I don't think these guys are trying to obscure understanding, it's just a side effect of their style.
I don't want to judge their worth, I haven't really come to a firm conclusion, don't know if I will.
Their posts are easy to skip or skim.

If I was to offer one piece of well meant advice, it would be cut back on the unappreciated artist stuff.

[tymygy]

Speaking of annoying, THIS THREAD has become annoying.

Those two drive me insane.  

[Thumpalumpacus]

"...and who is to judge which is horse and which is cart now..."

I am.  I'm your hoped-for audience.

[...] asked the goblin knowing that if writing were to descend to it lowest level each time [...]

Explain why clarity is low.

[...] most writer's wouldn't bother to write any more than readers would bother to read [...]

Explain romance fiction and its high sales.  Also, the apostrophe is extraneous.  Some writer!  [inB4 " I did that on purpose to tweak you"]

continuing "...I'll repeat something again, the reader doesn't actually want what he expects from the author each time yet he still expects it [...]

Yes, I've come to expect having to sift a ton of dirt to find a solid bit of stone in your posts, not that I want to do so.

[...] and any writer worth his salt plays on this, simply readers want more of the same where writers avoid that trap by keeping the reader in view but not heeding them...

I prefer to masturbate privately.

[karadan]

Full stops are your friend.