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[Steeler]

I don't see anything about them being rapists.

EDIT: Alright so you voted for the one who confirmed your beliefs, I get it. I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, it just seems mad to me that you went with a guy who says things so far out of line just to perpetuate your ideals; no matter how jaded he took them.

He says some crazy shit no doubt. But I think it's a lot of hot air. Let's see how he governs.

[Pasta Chick]

If you heard the "lockerroom" tape, and thought "aw gee, boys will be boys! Nothing wrong with that!"

Then you do NOT respect women.

Period.

And yes, I feel that is your normal, I do think there's a good chance you're on the other side of a statistic, and you probably don't even know it.

Ok I'm back lol. I honestly don't want you thinking that pasta.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, not understanding each other. Shit I know females that say shit as bad as he did. Now if I said that, and food it regularly to women, little different than dudes just talking shit.
Now I know you'll say that he did do it. Ok but I'm not convinced of their stories, what 15 years later? Credibility takes a little hit there with me.

"-isims" are often internalized. Some of the most sexist people I know are women. Hell I got into with a girl in 8th grade because she claimed women shouldn't be allowed to play sports. One of my female bosses used to stick me on office work rather than handiwork despite my experience because "we hired a guy for that" (not a handyman, or someone with any experience, just someone with a penis) and I'm only "pretty handy for a girl." Being female doesn't negate the sexism

A mass culture telling you from day one to sit pretty and quiet and be desirable to men takes it's toll.

There are many reasons why someone wouldn't report assault. As stated, I didn't report mine. One of the primary ones being no one believes you. Having to relive trauma through the lens of having to justify it to strangers who ultimately tell you not to be such a lying whore over and over and over is horrifying

[Magdalena]

Some illegals pay taxes, not denying that. Many don't.
As far as them not being able to get welfare, not true.
   https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households&ved=0ahUKEwjzpZeci53QAhUKNiYKHWgoBJsQFggjMAI&usg=AFQjCNFck7pTpSCfI-4-Dh1AgH1Xtp87mw&sig2=9zGEWuc_LKVzuW1_4yT1vw 

Are you calling me a liar?
Steeler... Don't do that.
We both know you're not into nitpicking, neither am I. Posting such a lengthy link is not your style.

Eligibility and Issuance Requirements
http://www.calfresh.ca.gov/Pg841.htm#citizen

Non-citizens that are in the U.S. temporarily, such as students or tourists are not eligible just as undocumented individuals are not eligible.

I really don't feel like looking for websites, right now. That's for the food stamp program, you can search for the welfare one if you'd like. This topic is very complicated, and I don't feel like talking right now.

[Arturo]

I don't see anything about them being rapists.

EDIT: Alright so you voted for the one who confirmed your beliefs, I get it. I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, it just seems mad to me that you went with a guy who says things so far out of line just to perpetuate your ideals; no matter how jaded he took them.

Let's see how he governs.

That's another thing I don't get: how can anyone elect such a wild card. We don't know what he will do because we never seen him govern or hold any public office what so ever. At least Obama had some public service and legislative experience beforehand. With this guy, he hasn't shown what he will do but has shown he is a loose cannon.

[Steeler]

Some illegals pay taxes, not denying that. Many don't.
As far as them not being able to get welfare, not true.
   https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households&ved=0ahUKEwjzpZeci53QAhUKNiYKHWgoBJsQFggjMAI&usg=AFQjCNFck7pTpSCfI-4-Dh1AgH1Xtp87mw&sig2=9zGEWuc_LKVzuW1_4yT1vw 

Are you calling me a liar?
Steeler... Don't do that.
We both know you're not into nitpicking, neither am I. Posting such a lengthy link is not your style.

Eligibility and Issuance Requirements
http://www.calfresh.ca.gov/Pg841.htm#citizen

Non-citizens that are in the U.S. temporarily, such as students or tourists are not eligible just as undocumented individuals are not eligible.

I really don't feel like looking for websites, right now. That's for the food stamp program, you can search for the welfare one if you'd like. This topic is very complicated, and I don't feel like talking right now.

Lol you're right it isn't my style. Just pointing out that illegals do receive welfare. Though not legal for them to directly receive it, they do through their US born children.
I think I copied the wrong link. Here's the one I was looking at.
   http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax 

[Steeler]

I don't see anything about them being rapists.

EDIT: Alright so you voted for the one who confirmed your beliefs, I get it. I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, it just seems mad to me that you went with a guy who says things so far out of line just to perpetuate your ideals; no matter how jaded he took them.

Let's see how he governs.

That's another thing I don't get: how can anyone elect such a wild card. We don't know what he will do because we never seen him govern or hold any public office what so ever. At least Obama had some public service and legislative experience beforehand. With this guy, he hasn't shown what he will do but has shown he is a loose cannon.

Because we knew exactly what we were getting with the alternative, And it looked like a turd  sammich.

[Magdalena]

Some illegals pay taxes, not denying that. Many don't.
As far as them not being able to get welfare, not true.
   https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households&ved=0ahUKEwjzpZeci53QAhUKNiYKHWgoBJsQFggjMAI&usg=AFQjCNFck7pTpSCfI-4-Dh1AgH1Xtp87mw&sig2=9zGEWuc_LKVzuW1_4yT1vw 

Are you calling me a liar?
Steeler... Don't do that.
We both know you're not into nitpicking, neither am I. Posting such a lengthy link is not your style.

Eligibility and Issuance Requirements
http://www.calfresh.ca.gov/Pg841.htm#citizen

Non-citizens that are in the U.S. temporarily, such as students or tourists are not eligible just as undocumented individuals are not eligible.

I really don't feel like looking for websites, right now. That's for the food stamp program, you can search for the welfare one if you'd like. This topic is very complicated, and I don't feel like talking right now.

Lol you're right it isn't my style. Just pointing out that illegals do receive welfare. Though not legal for them to directly receive it, they do through their US born children.
I think I copied the wrong link. Here's the one I was looking at.
   http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax 

...Hmm...


Anyways, I'm like you, I say, "Enough!" But I come back for more. 

About this:
Though not legal for them to directly receive it, they do through their US born children.
"They" have tried to pass laws to deny citizenship and all sorts of things to the children born in the USA of undocumented people. They want children born in the USA, US citizens, from undocumented people--deported as well. I believe it's unconstitutional, to "deport your own citizens." And where would you send them if they were born here? 

The statistics you presented show US born citizens with undocumented relatives taking advantage of a program that is available if they ever need help. It doesn't mean every single person uses it. Some people hate this idea, they hate the idea that US-born children are getting something to eat?  Really?

Also, I don't know if the statistics you presented placed Certain non-citizens such as those admitted for humanitarian reasons, who do qualify for food stamps, as "undocumented."  Also, I don't know if the laws are the same in every state. I can only speak for California. (Beautiful California) 

So as you can see, this is complicated, a lot of nitpicking going on, people using information to their advantage, so...
Please, I want to stop talking about it...and I have a headache. 

[Steeler]

Get some sleep Mags. I'll leave you alone now.
WAIT. You're 3 hours behind me, it's early still!!
J/k nite nite

[Arturo]

Ok so I never heard of the "Centre For Immigration Studies" from Steelers Google link so I looked it up and this is what I found:

The Center for Immigration Studies is a conservative non-profit research organization that advocates immigration reduction in the United States. It was started as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform in 1985. The CIS's self-described mission is to "provid[e] immigration policymakers, the academic community, news media, and concerned citizens with reliable information about the social, economic, environmental, security, and fiscal consequences of legal and illegal immigration into the United States."

Now it seems like a noble cause but when it gets to "advocating immigration reduction" I question the legitimacy. And it gives me doubts about the mission statement that follows. If this organization is about providing reliable information, then the base of it's organization is to give out information. And it advocates policy based on said information. So if that's the case, how do we know the organization is not putting out false information to perpetuate it's own goals to influence immigration policy? It would have a lot to gain by doing so if it did. So I'm not saying it's not a credible source, I am saying given the information I put above, it does not satisfy me in a scientific way.

Anyways that's it for me tonight, or rather this morning. It's 3:27 am and I think that's a good time to stop.

EDIT: forgot link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

[Pasta Chick]

One more quicky. I have a friend who immigrated from Bosnia who owns a trucking company. He has owned the business fire several years but claims he hasn't paid a dime in taxes due to a loophole. I can't remember the exact details but something to do with having a grace period of a couple years to help immigrants get on their feet. All he has to do is change the name of the company when the period is up, and recycle.
Good for him, totally legal.

That makes him smart!

[Davin]

You peeps don't comprehend very well. Or read what I said.
One way, your way.
Davin, your opinion is garbage to me. I'm done here.

It's fine if you think my opinion is garbage, but what about the facts I presented?

[Davin]

This is the one that bothers me. My family physician is also a reserve police officer for a small city not far from me. He was also on the board of the local hospital.
Back in the early 2000's they had a massive influx of Mexicans to town. In a very short period the local police force went from 5 officers/2 cars, to 10 cars/can't remember the exact number of officers. He claims it was a direct result of the higher crime rate in the Mexican area.
The hospital went under around the time of the economy taking a dump in the late 2000's. According to him, the biggest factor in the closing was the increase in unpaid care from the immigrants.
One more quicky. I have a friend who immigrated from Bosnia who owns a trucking company. He has owned the business fire several years but claims he hasn't paid a dime in taxes due to a loophole. I can't remember the exact details but something to do with having a grace period of a couple years to help immigrants get on their feet. All he has to do is change the name of the company when the period is up, and recycle.
Good for him, totally legal. He'd fit in nicely here, big time liberal atheist.

Stories like these have been proven to be... inaccurate is the polite word for it, but you wouldn't happen to have any of them facts to support them would you?

[Recusant]

The Cato Institute (not a "liberal" organization by any stretch of the imagination) examined the CIS report and found a number of problems with its methodology, which call the conclusions of the report into severe doubt.

[Steeler]

The Cato Institute (not a "liberal" organization by any stretch of the imagination) examined the CIS report and found a number of problems with its methodology, which call the conclusions of the report into severe doubt.

No problem here. I just googled real quick, didn't pay any attention to who it was.

Davin, I'm at work right now, I'll get back to ya.

[Davin]

Davin, I'm at work right now, I'll get back to ya.

No worries, take your time, review your facts, and make sure you know what you're talking about this time.