Windows 10, The Continuing Adventure

[Davin]

Like what negative results? I doubt there are any that I care about, and it's not like I haven't thought up a thousand different possibilities, but I am open to hearing them.

Like having friends. Like earning respect among your peers. Like having people take your opinions seriously. Presumably you're interacting with people on a public forum because you want to want to hear what they have to say, have them consider your opinions seriously, and maybe get something out of it yourself. Well, you're not going to accomplish that when you dismiss others in this manner.

Friends are things I have, and I do have respect among my peers. My opinions like everyone else's opinions, should be taken seriously based on the statements and not the character of the person making the statements. Why would I care about people who refuse to acknowledge something because they're being irrational?

It also cost me nothing to let the person know I don't care about apologies.

It cost you respect among some of us. Maybe you don't care about that. But if so, then I don't understand why you choose to interact with us. It also costs HAF because it reflects badly on us when one of our longtime members acts this way.

Since it wasn't worth anything in the first place, what did I lose? Am I to pretend that I like or appreciate apologies when I really don't just to sate some other person's sensibilities? Are other people's preferences to supersede my own? Are my preferences to supersede your own?

I can't stop people from irrationally coming to conclusions about what I say, and I'm more than a bit exhausted from my trying. You can erroneously conclude that I harbor animosity towards the person, I can't stop that. I can't make people read what I wrote for what I wrote, and I've tried a lot of different ways. I've even refrained from my usually sprinkling of "curse words" because the weak minded associate those with feelings of anger. How far must I bend in care of other people's irrationality?

If multiple people are telling you that your comments are rubbing people the wrong way and casting you in a bad light, do you ever stop to wonder if perhaps that's so? Or do you just continue to assume everyone else is wrong and you're right? You constantly accuse people of being irrational, misrepresenting you, etc, even when more than one person disagrees with you.

If other people make fallacies, I try to correct that irrationality as I am doing now. And no, I don't myself willingly commit fallacies (appeal to majority in this case). If they can explain it rationally, that would be one thing, and I await that.

It does change it, because I told the person not to worry about it first and foremost. I find that of great importance as they are words that I meant. I didn't want the person to worry about it. Then I gave my opinion on it.

You truly don't realize how it sounds, do you. Read it again:

Don't worry about it, your apology is meaningless and worth nothing.

The second half completely negates the "Don't worry about it." So no, it doesn't matter that you said not to worry about it first, because when you read the whole thing, you sound like you're trampling on his apology and just being sarcastic in the first half of the sentence. Trust me that's how it comes off for the vast majority of people. I'm surprised you don't see it. You're a smart guy, but you seem to lack the ability or willingness to look at the situation from another person's point of view.

So if I just said something I didn't mean, "I accept your apology," it would be taken as not being sarcastic, but if I say something I do mean, that they shouldn't worry about apologizing to me because an apology to me is meaningless and worthless, then it won't be taken for what I mean? That's stupid. I have looked at it from another person's point of view, and I have decided that my preferences on the matter, matter more to me than the other person's preferences.

[Kekerusey]

Davin,

As Recusant said, apologies are just one of those niceties we humans use with each other, just a behavioural norm I suppose.

You say I can apologise all I want yet I have apologised only once and, the way things are going here am unlikely to ever do so again. I am also known for saying exactly what I think, it's gotten me banned from quite a number of places ... when I offered that apology I meant it. Even if I was still inclined to discuss the things I couldn't do in Linux with you further (and right now I'm not) we are talking ancient history, it was SuSE 7 and must have been during the early 2000s.

Since you won't accept my earlier apology and I won't discuss anything much further with you because I think you're basically obnoxious (not an insult, a statement of fact from my POV) it seems we're at an impasse.

Keke

[Firebird]

So if I just said something I didn't mean, "I accept your apology," it would be taken as not being sarcastic, but if I say something I do mean, that they shouldn't worry about apologizing to me because an apology to me is meaningless and worthless, then it won't be taken for what I mean? That's stupid. I have looked at it from another person's point of view, and I have decided that my preferences on the matter, matter more to me than the other person's preferences.

It's not taken for what it means because you have absolutely no awareness of how you sound. It's mind-boggling.

Am I to pretend that I like or appreciate apologies when I really don't just to sate some other person's sensibilities?

Why not? Does that violate your conscience?

Why would I care about people who refuse to acknowledge something because they're being irrational

If multiple people are telling you that your comments are rubbing people the wrong way and casting you in a bad light, do you ever stop to wonder if perhaps that's so? Or do you just continue to assume everyone else is wrong and you're right? You constantly accuse people of being irrational, misrepresenting you, etc, even when more than one person disagrees with you.

If other people make fallacies, I try to correct that irrationality as I am doing now. And no, I don't myself willingly commit fallacies (appeal to majority in this case). If they can explain it rationally, that would be one thing, and I await that.

TL;DR: "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

[Davin]

Davin,

As Recusant said, apologies are just one of those niceties we humans use with each other, just a behavioural norm I suppose.

You say I can apologise all I want yet I have apologised only once and, the way things are going here am unlikely to ever do so again.

That works for me, people don't need to waste time or effort apologizing to me.

I am also known for saying exactly what I think, it's gotten me banned from quite a number of places ... when I offered that apology I meant it. Even if I was still inclined to discuss the things I couldn't do in Linux with you further (and right now I'm not) we are talking ancient history, it was SuSE 7 and must have been during the early 2000s.

That makes sense, SuSE was never one I preferred, though I think it was better than RedHat at the time. I suppose that those things are lost to memory, at least I certainly wouldn't remember anything specific from that time. For the record, I would have accepted this answer then as I do now.

Since you won't accept my earlier apology and I won't discuss anything much further with you because I think you're basically obnoxious (not an insult, a statement of fact from my POV) it seems we're at an impasse.

Alright, don't worry about it and have fun.

[Davin]

So if I just said something I didn't mean, "I accept your apology," it would be taken as not being sarcastic, but if I say something I do mean, that they shouldn't worry about apologizing to me because an apology to me is meaningless and worthless, then it won't be taken for what I mean? That's stupid. I have looked at it from another person's point of view, and I have decided that my preferences on the matter, matter more to me than the other person's preferences.

It's not taken for what it means because you have absolutely no awareness of how you sound. It's mind-boggling.

I have awareness, but I don't really care if other people choose to be irrational.

Am I to pretend that I like or appreciate apologies when I really don't just to sate some other person's sensibilities?

Why not? Does that violate your conscience?

I don't find it a compelling reason.

Why would I care about people who refuse to acknowledge something because they're being irrational

If multiple people are telling you that your comments are rubbing people the wrong way and casting you in a bad light, do you ever stop to wonder if perhaps that's so? Or do you just continue to assume everyone else is wrong and you're right? You constantly accuse people of being irrational, misrepresenting you, etc, even when more than one person disagrees with you.

If other people make fallacies, I try to correct that irrationality as I am doing now. And no, I don't myself willingly commit fallacies (appeal to majority in this case). If they can explain it rationally, that would be one thing, and I await that.

TL;DR: "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

You can reject reality and substitute your own all you want, I don't mind.

[OldGit]

My laptop has always been Windows 10, unaltered, since new.  Yesterday I switched it on and it immediately spent almost an hour converting to Windows 10.  There's no significant difference that I can find, although it has changed the tray slightly and left a folder called windows.old under C.

Any ideas what might have brought this on?

[Tank]

Yesterday in the office one PC took 6 hours to update!

[OldGit]

That's annoying!  But why should mine change from W10 to W10?

[xSilverPhinx]

Mine got an update about a week ago, and what annoyed me the most was not that it took two hours but when I wanted to turn off my computer I took forever to find the OFF button due to the new tray layout.   

[Asmodean]

There may well be good and valid reasons for it to change from Win10 to Win10. 10 is not necessarilly 10, you know. 

[Bad Penny II]

My laptop has always been Windows 10, unaltered, since new.  Yesterday I switched it on and it immediately spent almost an hour converting to Windows 10.  There's no significant difference that I can find, although it has changed the tray slightly and left a folder called windows.old under C.

Any ideas what might have brought this on?

There used to be service packs that'd update windows but they're passe.
MS now pushes out a new operating system, hmm so the original Aug launch, then there was the October 2015 and the latest Aug 2016 Anniversary thing.
So MS has pushed an update from Windows 10 to a newer windows 10 on you, version 1607 I think, probably.
Windows creates the windows.old folder, which is probably 15GB or more in size in case they've forked it up and a roll back is needed.

[Dave]

Microshit is, er .....Yes, isn't it?

[Icarus]

I am livid about MS or whoever it is that seizes my computer no matter what I do. I try to turn it off and it tells me that it is updating and ....sorry Charlie we are in charge here.  At other times, I try to turn it on and it tells me it is updating W10 and that I should buzz off while they are doing their thing, sometimes for extending periods of time while they do their thing. When I become sufficiently pissed, I snatch the power cord out of the wall plug. When I turn the computer back on, even a day later, it continues to intimidate me which leads  to upheavals of anguish followed by profanity and foot stomping.   

[xSilverPhinx]