Armageddon and the final Salvation

[Armageddon2012]

I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

Let me say how we humans are created and how we are blessed.

Actually, rather than describing it, how about you provide some evidence that we are, in fact, created.

yes,sure,will come to that very soon,but it will be very long and screed,you guys have to accumulate some patience for it,but I'm not going to bore you,we will have fun for it.

[Stevil]

yes,sure,will come to that very soon,but it will be very long and screed,you guys have to accumulate some patience for it,but I'm not going to bore you,we will have fun for it.

The truth is often succinct and takes understanding rather than patience to accept.
Brainwashing is often lengthy and tedious and takes patience rather than understanding to endure

[Velma]

well,at least I was driving by in the beginning, and I found that you guys are having fun among your atheists alone,which is lacking some heat,so it occurs to me that why not come joning you guys and stir up some heat,so that we have more funs together,among us atheists and theist,because among your atheists,you always have th same views and concepts,no debate,no arguements,it is so quiet,so tranquil,so cool,and so lonely,so you see,when I joined you guys,heat is being built up.

Have you read this forum?  Have you read any of the forums you've visited?  The only thing atheists have in common is their thoughts on deities, everything else is up for debate - and I do mean everything.  Besides, every atheist forum I've ever been a member of has believers on it.  Unfortunately, most of them don't hang around long because they view any questioning of their belief systems as attacks on them personally and leave in a huff after only a few posts, with obvious exceptions like Animated Dirt here on this forum.

[LegendarySandwich]

well,at least I was driving by in the beginning

Armageddon, you seem to be just preaching to us, which is strictly against the forum rules. If you want to actually have a nice debate, please back up your claims with some evidence.

[Stevil]

well,at least I was driving by in the beginning, and I found that you guys are having fun among your atheists alone,which is lacking some heat,so it occurs to me that why not come joning you guys and stir up some heat,so that we have more funs together,among us atheists and theist,because among your atheists,you always have th same views and concepts,no debate,no arguements,it is so quiet,so tranquil,so cool,and so lonely,so you see,when I joined you guys,heat is being built up.

By heat do you mean conflict? Is this your desired state? Is this what you mean by fun?

[The Magic Pudding]

I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

I wouldn't mind if it was something useful, maybe a tail, yes I'd like a tail.
Has to a good one though, I still want to be able to sit in my chair comfortably.

Oh and can you please make quotes look like quotes, just " " would help.

[Whitney]

As I'm looking for a co-author for the book through the forum here.

Um...do you know what atheist means?

Thank you for asking,by chance I know it because I was one some 15 years ago myself.

Once an atheist,does not mean an atheist forever.
That is why I am here to find friends.

That wasn't why I asked....I know that people can decide to not be an atheist later (have yet to meet someone who can explain why without appealing to emotions).

I asked because it doesn't make sense to look for a co-author of a book abut Armageddon on an atheist forum....an end times forum or something like that would have more potential applicants.

[Whitney]

well,at least I was driving by in the beginning

Armageddon, you seem to be just preaching to us, which is strictly against the forum rules. If you want to actually have a nice debate, please back up your claims with some evidence.

I'm not interested in the thread topic so I my forget to check in on how it is proceeding as often as may be necessary, please let me know if he doesn't make an honest attempt to back up the claims...can either pm me or use the report button.

[LegendarySandwich]

well,at least I was driving by in the beginning

Armageddon, you seem to be just preaching to us, which is strictly against the forum rules. If you want to actually have a nice debate, please back up your claims with some evidence.

I'm not interested in the thread topic so I my forget to check in on how it is proceeding as often as may be necessary, please let me know if he doesn't make an honest attempt to back up the claims...can either pm me or use the report button.

Sure.

[Armageddon2012]

Hi,thanks for all the postings,I'm on the move,running something urgent ,will be back in a couple of days to answer questions.Sorry.

[Gawen]

[Armageddon2012]

well,at least I was driving by in the beginning, and I found that you guys are having fun among your atheists alone,which is lacking some heat,so it occurs to me that why not come joning you guys and stir up some heat,so that we have more funs together,among us atheists and theist,because among your atheists,you always have th same views and concepts,no debate,no arguements,it is so quiet,so tranquil,so cool,and so lonely,so you see,when I joined you guys,heat is being built up.

By heat do you mean conflict? Is this your desired state? Is this what you mean by fun?

By Heat I mean extensive excahnges of views on the topic with mutual respect,understanding,tolerance,non-offensive,non-hostile, but a friendly treating in the atmosphere of humanity,we are civilized human,not savages,right.You may have noticed that I have never uttered even one word of non-respect,nor humiliating anyone,nor hurting anyone,nor attacking anyone,nor fighting back to the rude an harsh words posted here. I'm treating everyone with duly compassion that I was taught and told.

By fun I mean that we could have a nice debate in delightful and joyful way although this is a topic of somewhat serious.
Ignorance makes people hold nothing in awe.Look at the posting by Stevil,you will know what I mean.I will come to that later,Stevil.

[Stevil]

Ignorance makes people hold nothing in awe.Look at the posting by Stevil,you will know what I mean.I will come to that later,Stevil.

Most likely that I am ignorant. I am looking forward to your response, but please keep it succint as I am adverse to reading through too much stuff to get to the good bits. Am pretty keen to learn how to kill the beast so would be great if you could start off with the how. I'm thinking a stake through the heart or something to that effect.

[Armageddon2012]

Armageddon, you seem to be just preaching to us, which is strictly against the forum rules. If you want to actually have a nice debate, please back up your claims with some evidence.

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here are some evidences you guys asked for:

Evidences of four ways of becoming immortal and divine:

First Evidence:
ascending to heaven by flying upto sky in daytime/bai ri fei sheng
http://www.chinaqigong.com/qigongzonghe ... /1022.html

Second Evidence:
honghua/the body becomes a beam of red light and disappears like a rainbow up into the sky/heaven,here is the link with historical records:
http://hi.baidu.com/mingxianju/blog/ite ... f39e2.html

more links for honghua:
http://baike.baidu.com/view/211974.htm
http://www.xici.net/#d24784721.htm
http://cblog.chinadaily.com.cn/port/art ... 9819.shtml

Third Evidence:

zhang yan fa/something appointed in camouflage or in disguise as the body,but the person has gone at the time of attaining fruition/sublimation,it is also called shi jie ( shi:corpse,jie:jie kai de jie)

links:
http://www.qmdjnet.cn/article/sort018/info-46.html
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/a1236500/art ... &next=1799
http://vip.book.sina.com.cn/book/chapte ... 32530.html

All the above websites are in Chinese language.If Stevil can read Chinese,please kindly do me a favor by translating the essence of the sites to all friends here on this topic.If you can not read Chinese,please all guys try to find some chinese
friends around you,or just grab some chinese guys in your neighbourhood to help
you to understand it.

Or,if anyone has no Chinese friends to help you,I will help you when I come back from my trip.

Fourth Evidence:
There is the 4th way of becoming immortal ,actually I'm trying to explain to you in terms of biology how come it is possible that human cells can stop growing old.

We know that there is the cell division,for children,the cell division is for the purpose of body growth,for adults,it is for the purpose of supplying heat.But the
telomerase (telosome) becomes shorter in the process of cell division,and thus
human body grow old.One of the function of Metabolism is to produce and supply heat energy to human body,and the cell division is the result of the metabolism. But when there is other sources of heat supply guaranteed,there is no need for the cell division to go on,so when the cell division is stopped,the human body no more grows old.You remember that in previous postings I mentioned that deities have atoms to form their body,well,the atoms'
heat supply is competely different compared with our human body,so their cell of atoms does not need the cell division to supply heat to the body.

There are more ways for Buddhist and Christian to become immortal,which will be explained later.

The following is continued from above description,but also an explanation about some killings in some natural disasters,such as earth quakes.

At the moment of the body becoming immortal,entering the level of atom from the level of molecule,there is a very severe reaction in the body,which can be described as a kind of atomic bomb explosion,( it is only a metaphor,not actually such explosion) it is so powerful that it can provoke earthquakes.For sure many people will die in earthquakes.Can we say that people are killed by the practitioners' becoming immortal? No,we can not say so,because when a practitioner becomes immortal,he will form his own divine realm,which is still empty at that moment,and in which he will need a lot of multitudes (multitudes refer to all living creatures,not only human beings.)So by dying in such an earthquake,they only departed from the secular world,and immediately arrive at the new Deity's divine realm as multitudes.

Not many earthquakes are this kind of quakes.

People who immigrated to American know that,they can not stay at their mother country at the same time when stay at America,they have to depart from the mother country,and settle up all kinds of debts that they had,they can not simply pack up and go.For those who will become multitudes in the Deity's divine realm also have to clear up their debts,and have to depart from the secular world,which is in the form of being killed in the earth quakes.

Can we say,if so,there will be no need to rescue the dying people in the quakes,
no,we can not do that,we humans have our humans rules,that when we see someone is dying,we must rescue.

We must say that such kind of quakes are very few in human history.And all truths are kept unknown to human world.What I can say is that in Dec.2004,there was a practitioner from Tibet,who became immortal in his dwelling place somewhere in South Asia. No more details can  be said about that,sorry for that.Looking at the postings of Stevil,you will know why no more details can be said.

Evidence of the Practitioners becoming immortal is the evidence of the existence of Deities.God is one of the Deities.Therefore it is also the evidence of the existence of God.

Here is another story about animal killing.We all know there are very strict precepts that buddhists are not allowed to kill any living creatures deliberately,even mosquitos,flies,and cockroaches.But there is such a story in ancient china,that there is a dog,that lives nearby a Buddhist temple with its owner's home,the dog always went to the Buddhist Temple,to lie where Buddhist
monks were reading Buddha Scripture aloud,listen to them reading.One day the Temple Abbot told some young monks to kill the dog at certain moment within a couple of days.When the moment came,the Abbot asked the monks if whey had done as they were told.They said :" no,how could we kill the dog as there is very strict
precepts,we dare not".The abbot had to take a big wooden stick to kill the dog immediately by himself.The young monks were very much surprised and asked him why.
The Abbot explained to them that since the dog had listened to the Scripture reading in the temple for several years,it has sowed some good karma seeds for a good life reward,and there is a pregnent woman nearby,who is supposed to deliver her baby at the moment I told you to kill the dog,since the dog is not dead,and thus not able to go for the reincarnation,this woman is in dystocia,if the dog finally fails to be reincarnated,the baby and the pregnant woman will die.

About 10 years later,a boy came to the Temple to  be a monk there.The boy's previous life was that dog.

I wish this answers the enraged question of Stevil.

Here is the link with some similar stories:
http://hi.baidu.com/%B7%F0%D7%D3%85d%BE ... 2d350.html

Deaths to humans are the same,but actually not the same.I do not know if Stevil has ever read Tao Te Jing by Laozi.

There is a sentence like this:Those who die but do not demise will live long.( Si Er Bu Wang Zhe Shou).How come? If I will not be convicted as preaching by a Jury of you guys,I will go on to say it.

In ancient time,when Deities descended down to human world to deliver the divine laws,they talk very briefly,because at ancient times people did not have complicated thoughts like now,and do not have the science or technology to understand a much higher law,for instance,if Sakyamuni and Jesus Christ and Laozu talked about atom and atmic radioactivities,and molecules ,cell divisions ,biology ,no one could understand what they meant.So they talk very briefly and simply  , only told people what to follow, never told people why to follow. Now,after over 2000 years ,the scenario of human beings have been changed too much ,and when Deities descended down to earth now ,they will deliver their law in a scientific way ,because people can understand now ,and also because people tend not to believe what had been told by the early stage Deities because the development of science.

So you see ,it is not that I know about science ,it is because the Deity talk in a scientific way ,and that I have some enlightenments of my own ,that’s it .I’m an ordinary man, same as each of you guys ,so there is no divinity in what I said here ,believe it or not ,it’s up to you guys.

Sakyamuni said there are as many Buddha as the sands in the river Ganges.So it does not make any sense to argue about Polytheism and monotheism, there are as many  Deities as we humans, even much more .Only that each person can only choose one deity to follow, the one that has descended down to earth for the deliverance.

Did Deities make mistake? You maybe surprised that the answer is Yes .If they do not make  mistakes, there will be no human beings .I do not mean that human beings are created by a mistake ,they created us human beings because they know they make mistakes ,so when they make mistakes ,they could fall down to be a human,otherwise once they make mistakes ,they are in the peril to be put into perdition .So to be a human ,they will be given the chance to wake upto ascend back to where they had fallen down from ,to go back home.


Evidences about creation will be given later, when you guys give me the right to defend myself for what is and what is not preaching. A criminal has the right to defend himself in court, do I have the right? Or just you guys give me the death penalty , an unfair verdict without a jury ? Do you call it fair and justice?

[Armageddon2012]

I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

I wouldn't mind if it was something useful, maybe a tail, yes I'd like a tail.
Has to a good one though, I still want to be able to sit in my chair comfortably.

Oh and can you please make quotes look like quotes, just " " would help.

OK,thanks Maggic Pudding,I will care about it.Tails and evidences have been provided in above postings.