The all-knowing, and all-powerful being who makes mistakes

[Butterfly Dreams CLC]

This title is pretty much an oxymoron, yet this is the conundrum that many major religions face. For example, in the Bible it says:

Matthew 19:26

26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

(Here are more passages that say the same thing: Matthew 28:18 - Luke 1:37 - 1 John 3:20 - Isaiah 14:24-27 - Revalation 19:6 - Isaiah 46:10 - Mark 10:27 - Luke 18:27 - Job 42:1-2 - Isaiah 55:11 - 1 Kings 8:27)

If this God really is omnipotent he has control over everything because nothing is impossible for this God.

If such a thing were to exist, sin wouldn't exist, and it wouldn't be because this god needs some greater good to happen. Omnipotence takes away all needs. That would lead to no other conclusion than, this god wants people to suffer. Any punishments he gives doesn't make sense because that god is the one who created it in the first place, or is capable of preventing it.

If this God is infact omnipotent he could have made any universe that he wanted. This would mean that he had any kind of universe to choose from but he chose this one over any other. This means that God likes everything exactly the way everything is, if not he could have chosen a different universe which is closer to what he wants. A molecule couldn't be out of place because that would mean that there are certain things that are not possible for this God, or God created something he didn't want to create, which would mean he isn't omnipotent. What this means is that this God specifically chose humans that would sin over ones that wouldn't. This God chose the Holocaust, 9/11, the Dark Ages and many other horrific events in history. He had to have chosen a universe where you make the exact choices that you have made, over other universes where you made different choices. Including a universe where people are unbelievers. Which means he intentionally made them so they can perish and suffer. If this proposed God exists, these are the things that would have had to have happened.

So when God planted the tree in the Garden of Eden he knew completely what was going to happen. So basically that would make "origin sin" completely intentional God (or any sin for that matter) when God is the one punishing us for it and claiming we are the ones in need of forgiveness. That doesn't add up when God has power over everything. That means God can arrange things so that we don't mess up.

Saying that God created evil so humans can "spiritually grow" is incorrect, since the bible says people will go to hell for eternity. They did not have a chance to spiritually grow:

Places where the Bible mentions an eternal hell: (Daniel 12:2-3, Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 18:8-9, Matthew 22:13, Matthew 25:41, 46, Mark 9:43-48, Luke 16:22-24, John 5:28-29, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, Revelation 14:10-11, Revelation 20:10, Revelation 20:14-15)

The "Free Will" argument doesn't make sense either because an omnipotent God would also be able to give people free will and in a way to where they are also not on fire for eternity. The gospels literally say nothing is impossible for this God.

Most of us know who super man is correct? A being from another planet with superhuman strength, can fly, etc etc. Most importantly, he fights evil and trys to keep it from happening. So how wrong would superman have to be to stop fighting crime and claim that he was too powerful and that he wanted the criminals to exercise their free will? Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of superman? So then why does a supposed god who is all powerful feel that he should let such evil happen?

Then there is the response, "God is beyond our understanding so who are you to question what God does?" So God made us dumb so we couldn't understand him, and then expected us to accept him with no evidence. There wouldn't be any way for us to validate what this being beyond our understanding says to us is true because it is beyond our understanding.

Basically we have God coming down and incarnating himself, to sacrifice himself to himself, to make a loophole to a rule that he made up in the first place. This is ridiculous.

The God of the Bible could have had any outcome that he wanted. Yet is angry at the outcome he got at the same time, and needed to forgive it. What ever this God is on I want some.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well, yes.  What's worse, given that humans are generally happy as they judge themselves closer to the ideal, and unhappy as they are further from it, they don't see the inappropriateness of assigning such emotions to an omnimax deity.  How in the world could such a being have any comprehensible emotion.

[The Magic Pudding]

I agree except with the -

What ever this God is on I want some.

I want none of it.

[tymygy]

I agree except with the -

What ever this God is on I want some.

I want none of it.

Smokin a little bit of that holy weed.

[Gawen]

This is ridiculous.

Indeed. And to think that the majority of sheep where I live believe it....should make one shudder.

[DropLogic]

This is ridiculous.

Indeed. And to think that the majority of sheep where I live believe it....should make one shudder.

On my 9 mile drive to school, there are 17 churches.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=churches&sll=41.450704,-81.66687&sspn=0.195827,0.308647&ie=UTF8&t=h&radius=9.59&split=1&rq=1&ev=p&hq=churches&hnear=&ll=41.460739,-81.66687&spn=0.195797,0.308647&z=12

[tymygy]

This is ridiculous.

Indeed. And to think that the majority of sheep where I live believe it....should make one shudder.

On my 9 mile drive to school, there are 17 churches.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=churches&sll=41.450704,-81.66687&sspn=0.195827,0.308647&ie=UTF8&t=h&radius=9.59&split=1&rq=1&ev=p&hq=churches&hnear=&ll=41.460739,-81.66687&spn=0.195797,0.308647&z=12

Holy shit, thats scary.  

[Gawen]

67 churches where I live. Population around 30,000. 19.7 square miles
http://local.yahoo.com/results;_ylt=AoG ... s=&start=1

Count 'em....you'll laugh.

There's actually one called Harve's Temple that's not listed. Make that 68.

[The Magic Pudding]

67 churches where I live. Population around 30,000. 19.7 square miles
http://local.yahoo.com/results;_ylt=AoG ... s=&start=1

Count 'em....you'll laugh.

There's actually one called Harve's Temple that's not listed. Make that 68.

We used to be able compete, but we called our temples pubs.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Now there's a religion I can bow to.

[Tom62]

Yes me too. I bow to the two heavenly spirits, American Rye and Scottish Malt.

[Gawen]

Yes me too. I bow to the two heavenly spirits, American Rye and Scottish Malt.

I always wanted to make a pilgrimage to Belhaven and possibly flagellate myself at the front gate of Glenfiddich.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Just bury me in a biergarten.

[DropLogic]

Just bury me in a biergarten.

I'll even use a hoe-gaarden to dig up the Earth.