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Started by Byronazriel, October 02, 2010, 07:59:40 AM

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Byronazriel

Joker = Chaotic Evil

Penguin = Neutral Evil

Doctor Doom = Lawful Evil

Deadpool = Chaotic Neutral

Galactus = True Neutral

Punisher = Lawful Neutral

Wolverine = Chaotic Good

Spider-man = Neutral Good

Superman = Lawful Good.

It's a lot more useful way of gauging character than just arbitrarily and ambiguously labelling someone as "good" or "bad."

It's not perfect, but it's the best way I've found for defferentiating "kind of evil" with "good with a darkside."
"You are trying to understand madness with logic. This is not unlike searching for darkness with a torch." -Jervis Tetch

DropLogic

Where does Batman land in that rating scale?

Byronazriel

I'd put him as Neutral Good overall, but you'd have to name a specific Batman becuase he's been portrayed differently during different times and by different people.
"You are trying to understand madness with logic. This is not unlike searching for darkness with a torch." -Jervis Tetch

DropLogic

Quote from: "Byronazriel"I'd put him as Neutral Good overall, but you'd have to name a specific Batman becuase he's been portrayed differently during different times and by different people.
Heh, so is god.

Byronazriel

I'd put God as True Neutral.
"You are trying to understand madness with logic. This is not unlike searching for darkness with a torch." -Jervis Tetch

The Magic Pudding

Quote from: "Byronazriel"I'd put God as True Neutral.
I prefer True Irrelevance.

i_am_i

For the hell of it I used the link and took the "test." When it came to a question about absolute morality I answered no, there is no such thing as absolute morality. Then it asked if it was absolutely immoral to rape a child. Keeping the concept of "absolute" in mind I answered no.

Here's what came up on the monitor:

"Unless you reconsider your stand on this matter, your road to this site's proof that God exists ends here. It is my prayer that you come to understand how inconsistent and irrational this line of thinking is and return to seek the truth."

So I never got to see the proof that God exists. I only hope it doesn't haunt me for the rest of my life.
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Byronazriel

"You are trying to understand madness with logic. This is not unlike searching for darkness with a torch." -Jervis Tetch

Asmodean

Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "Asmodean"
Quote from: "PoopShoot"The scales are the same essential things with different labels.  Law/chaos gauges whether a character can follow rules/laws, whereas good/evil addresses motives, such as whether killing made the character feel happy.
Obviously, they are not the same since you've managed to equate a bad guy to evil.
How?
Sorry. Wasn't you - was Byron.  :blush:
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Asmodean

Quote from: "Byronazriel"Joker = Chaotic Evil

Penguin = Neutral Evil

Doctor Doom = Lawful Evil

Deadpool = Chaotic Neutral

Galactus = True Neutral

Punisher = Lawful Neutral

Wolverine = Chaotic Good

Spider-man = Neutral Good

Superman = Lawful Good.

It's a lot more useful way of gauging character than just arbitrarily and ambiguously labelling someone as "good" or "bad."

It's not perfect, but it's the best way I've found for defferentiating "kind of evil" with "good with a darkside."

It's flawed on SO many levels... You see, that system lumps two different scales together and gives a few names to a few intersection. And thus, people with fundamentally different ideologies, mindsets and personalities can be easily lumped into the same cathegory.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Byronazriel

...And that would be a problem if it was measuring ideologies, mindsets or personalities!

It's not supposed to be a unifying psychological theory, or a litmus test of character. It is what it is: A way to gauge a person's moral and ethical alignment.

It's no different than society's Masculine/Feminine system, and/or the sexuality spectrum: A useful too for gauging someone's relative attributes, but ultimately neither will tell you much about who they are.

You can say that someone is a heterosexual masculine male, but that wont tell you about their kinks or much of anything about their personality. It is what it is, and they are who they are.

There is no perfect systems, everything has flaws. You just need to learn to work around them, or replace it with something better... Which will ultimately just be as flawed only in a different way, because there are NO PERFECT SYSTEMS!
"You are trying to understand madness with logic. This is not unlike searching for darkness with a torch." -Jervis Tetch

Recusant

I found it amusing that in navigating away from the site (after "failing" the "test") using the "Exit" button provided, one is sent to a Disney page.  It seems that Sinner Ministries is bound and determined to get you into a fantasy world, one way or another. :P
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Asmodean

Quote from: "Byronazriel"...And that would be a problem if it was measuring ideologies, mindsets or personalities!
Yes, it would.

QuoteIt's not supposed to be a unifying psychological theory, or a litmus test of character. It is what it is: A way to gauge a person's moral and ethical alignment.
No, it's a way to gauge an RPG character's moral and ethical alignment. RPG worlds are, in most ways, far less complex than our own and thus, a more complex model would be required for real life (Or real life fiction, for that matter) in order to approach accuracy.

QuoteIt's no different than society's Masculine/Feminine system, and/or the sexuality spectrum: A useful too for gauging someone's relative attributes, but ultimately neither will tell you much about who they are.
It is different.

QuoteYou can say that someone is a heterosexual masculine male, but that wont tell you about their kinks or much of anything about their personality. It is what it is, and they are who they are.
That tells you nothing at all about the degree of that person's masculinity or heterosexuality either. As such, that expression is useless unless applied to an (example numbers) 80% straight and 90% masculine guy. If that person is nearly bisexual and nearly feminine though, it fails miserably alhough the profile does technically fit.

QuoteThere is no perfect systems, everything has flaws. You just need to learn to work around them, or replace it with something better... Which will ultimately just be as flawed only in a different way, because there are NO PERFECT SYSTEMS!
So why do you feel the need to use a thoroughly flawed system to cathegorise people with not a hint of working around the flaws?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

PoopShoot

Quote from: "Recusant"I found it amusing that in navigating away from the site (after "failing" the "test") using the "Exit" button provided, one is sent to a Disney page.  It seems that Sinner Ministries is bound and determined to get you into a fantasy world, one way or another. :P
It's the guy who runs the site implying you're a child.  He's a condescending dick.
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