The future of theism in an atheist world.

[Tank]

I don't see an essential change in that part of the equation.

If theists had a country, we wouldn't have to trade with it. Let them manufacture their own things. AND we could have two guards for every meter of the border

Stopping trade with Al Quaeda is a bit harder since they, like theists today, are everywhere.

I hope the underlined is 'tongue in cheek.'?

[Asmodean]

I hope the underlined is 'tongue in cheek.'?

Hwut..?   )

[Tank]

I hope the underlined is 'tongue in cheek.'?

Hwut..?   )

Soz. Were you joking?

[Asmodean]

Soz. Were you joking?

I was following up on mine and someone else's fantasy of shipping the fundies to like Greenland and procliming it their own country, so obviously I was not being serious

[Tank]

Soz. Were you joking?

I was following up on mine and someone else's fantasy of shipping the fundies to like Greenland and procliming it their own country, so obviously I was not being serious

[Asmodean]

Ah! I was hoping so but being a n00b I didn't want to assume   Always best to just ask.

[AntiAtheist]

That will never happened. People need faith and hope. Atheism will never win.

[Tank]

That will never happened. People need faith and hope. Atheism will never win.

Then the best we can hope for is a secular world than?

[Davin]

That will never happened. People need faith and hope. Atheism will never win.

I didn't know it was a competition.

And I don't think people need faith at all.

[Tank]

That will never happened. People need faith and hope. Atheism will never win.

I didn't know it was a competition.

And I don't think people need faith at all.

Unfortunately I am slowly coming to the opinion, possibly against my better judgement, that people with an IQ of less than 80 (about 40% of the population) can't deal with the world without reference to a higher authority figure, in most cases god fulfils this role, and simply can't really cope with the intellectual demands placed on them in the modern 1st world. Faith is a simple, understandable and easy concept to sell. The personal responsibility required of secular and atheistic thought is not easy for a lot of people to understand or cope with. Faith is a doddle to sell to a huge segment of the population.

[KDbeads]

Unfortunately I am slowly coming to the opinion, possibly against my better judgement, that people with an IQ of less than 80 (about 40% of the population) can't deal with the world without reference to a higher authority figure, in most cases god fulfils this role, and simply can't really cope with the intellectual demands placed on them in the modern 1st world. Faith is a simple, understandable and easy concept to sell. The personal responsibility required of secular and atheistic thought is not easy for a lot of people to understand or cope with. Faith is a doddle to sell to a huge segment of the population.

I'm thinking the same, but I'm raising that IQ to 90, just based on my overall experience with people.

[Tank]

Unfortunately I am slowly coming to the opinion, possibly against my better judgement, that people with an IQ of less than 80 (about 40% of the population) can't deal with the world without reference to a higher authority figure, in most cases god fulfils this role, and simply can't really cope with the intellectual demands placed on them in the modern 1st world. Faith is a simple, understandable and easy concept to sell. The personal responsibility required of secular and atheistic thought is not easy for a lot of people to understand or cope with. Faith is a doddle to sell to a huge segment of the population.

I'm thinking the same, but I'm raising that IQ to 90, just based on my overall experience with people.

It is worth noting that the majority world view switches from theism to atheism and about IQ 125. That came up in a thread discussing the number of atheists in Congress. On the basis of educational achievement something like 80% would be atheists in the general population. At the time I believe only one congressman was an overt atheist.

But back on topic. It would appear that to live together peacefully and without oppression the only way forward is a secular world order where atheists and theist combine to defend the rights of an individual to hold any world view they want to.

[Asmodean]

Unfortunately I am slowly coming to the opinion, possibly against my better judgement, that people with an IQ of less than 80 (about 40% of the population) can't deal with the world without reference to a higher authority figure, in most cases god fulfils this role, and simply can't really cope with the intellectual demands placed on them in the modern 1st world. Faith is a simple, understandable and easy concept to sell. The personal responsibility required of secular and atheistic thought is not easy for a lot of people to understand or cope with. Faith is a doddle to sell to a huge segment of the population.

I subscribe to that point of view... For some reason, there does seem to be a correlation between a person's IQ and level of education and the likelihood of them being theists...

[Tank]

I would really like to get more input from theists on this question. Would you feel threatened in a secular world? What are your feelings about the apparent rise in athistic views and the ability of atheists to form groups on the internet?

[joeactor]

I would really like to get more input from theists on this question. Would you feel threatened in a secular world? What are your feelings about the apparent rise in athistic views and the ability of atheists to form groups on the internet?

Ask and ye shall receive!

BTW, wow... haven't seen so many biased viewpoints since I had breakfast with a bunch of born-agains...
I think you'll find quite a few intelligent theists, and a fair share of sub-par atheists.

Ok, so an "Atheist World" (was that the sequel to West World?)
I don't see it ever happening.

Now, an Agnostic world?  That's possible.
For me, it's less about "Is there a god?" or "Is there no god?", and more about our comfort with being able to say "I don't know".

Faith, Belief, and Hope are a large part of being human.  The expression of them through religion is the flaw, IMHO.  Take a bit of time to think this through.  How much a part of your life is belief?

If it were all about being rational and intelligent, we'd be SkyNet.

As for extremists... It only takes one nutjob with a bomb to take out a bunch of geniuses.
That's not rational.  It's not logical.  It's why, in some cases, the nutjobs win.  And why they won't go away.

That's the skinny, now let's chew the fat!
JoeActor