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The future of theism in an atheist world.

Started by Tank, May 30, 2010, 05:24:52 PM

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Tank

If atheism becomes the predominant world view, how would the remaining theists feel? Also how could they react to this reversal of majority support?

I have some thoughts on this subject but rather than bias the discussion I'd like to hear some other peoples thoughts first.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

pinkocommie

Whenever I think of atheism becoming the predominate world view, I think of illogical humans chopping down trees for tables when they have perfectly good tummies to eat on.
Ubi dubium ibi libertas: Where there is doubt, there is freedom.
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KDbeads

Hmmm... interesting question.  Personally I don't think we will ever get there due to the large number of weak minded persons we share this planet with that need that sense of someone 'taking care of them'.

However, in the spirit of the question.....
This could go 2 ways, the intelligent theists choosing to live normal lives among the rest of us know that it's their choice to believe as it is our choice not to or a mass exodus of fanatics to their own country where they can feel safe from us 'evil, god hating' people.
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams

elliebean

Moderate theists would probably be won over pretty easily, which would leave the fanatics. I think they would all become terrorists.
[size=150]â€"Ellie [/size]
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Asmodean

Quote from: "KDbeads"or a mass exodus of fanatics to their own country where they can feel safe from us 'evil, god hating' people.

...Followed by a massive war that ends up in evil (being us) emerging victorious  :devil:
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

KDbeads

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Quote from: "KDbeads"or a mass exodus of fanatics to their own country where they can feel safe from us 'evil, god hating' people.

...Followed by a massive war that ends up in evil (being us) emerging victorious  :headbang:
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams

Tank

Quote from: "pinkocommie"Whenever I think of atheism becoming the predominate world view, I think of illogical humans chopping down trees for tables when they have perfectly good tummies to eat on.
:hmm:  Okay I've read this a few times and you appear to be saying that people are too dumb to think really deeply and thus atheism will always be a minority word view?
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

JillSwift

Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "pinkocommie"Whenever I think of atheism becoming the predominate world view, I think of illogical humans chopping down trees for tables when they have perfectly good tummies to eat on.
:D
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pinkocommie

Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "pinkocommie"Whenever I think of atheism becoming the predominate world view, I think of illogical humans chopping down trees for tables when they have perfectly good tummies to eat on.
:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go
Ubi dubium ibi libertas: Where there is doubt, there is freedom.
http://alliedatheistalliance.blogspot.com/

Tank

Quote from: "KDbeads"Hmmm... interesting question.  Personally I don't think we will ever get there due to the large number of weak minded persons we share this planet with that need that sense of someone 'taking care of them'.
Funnily enough that's what my wife thinks is the ultimate flaw in an atheistic world future. That a large number of people need the comfort blanket of superstition.

Quote from: "KDbeads"However, in the spirit of the question.....
This could go 2 ways, the intelligent theists choosing to live normal lives among the rest of us know that it's their choice to believe as it is our choice not to or a mass exodus of fanatics to their own country where they can feel safe from us 'evil, god hating' people.
Option one would be ideal, however that still leaves the fundamentalists to deal with. I also doubt that in option 2 the 'residuum' would leave willingly.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

KDbeads

Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "KDbeads"Hmmm... interesting question.  Personally I don't think we will ever get there due to the large number of weak minded persons we share this planet with that need that sense of someone 'taking care of them'.
Funnily enough that's what my wife thinks is the ultimate flaw in an atheistic world future. That a large number of people need the comfort blanket of superstition.
Unfortunately most everywhere I've lived people seem to be this way, they can't think for themselves nor can they accept fault for their own actions.  Most of them would be lost without a god to call on.

Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "KDbeads"However, in the spirit of the question.....
This could go 2 ways, the intelligent theists choosing to live normal lives among the rest of us know that it's their choice to believe as it is our choice not to or a mass exodus of fanatics to their own country where they can feel safe from us 'evil, god hating' people.
Option one would be ideal, however that still leaves the fundamentalists to deal with. I also doubt that in option 2 the 'residuum' would leave willingly.
Not thinking they would leave willingly enough either but history proves they can if the really really want to, we just need some serious religious oppression for them to escape from to their new world ;)

Hadn't really thought about the fundies in this equation....  Maybe they'll go back to their caves and die out from lack of breeding material?
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams

Tank

Quote from: "elliebean"Moderate theists would probably be won over pretty easily, which would leave the fanatics. I think they would all become terrorists.
This would be my concern.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Asmodean

Quote from: "Tank"This would be my concern.

Well, since we would be the ones sitting on the intellectual power, they'd probably run out of ways of making bombs pretty quickly... After all, although it takes only one fundie to mix fertilizer with diesel, it takes a helluva' lot more to manufacture the named components :P
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Tank

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Quote from: "Tank"This would be my concern.

Well, since we would be the ones sitting on the intellectual power, they'd probably run out of ways of making bombs pretty quickly... After all, although it takes only one fundie to mix fertilizer with diesel, it takes a helluva' lot more to manufacture the named components :P
Isn't that the current situation anyway? Al-Qaeda is a parasitic organisation relying on high-tech components (mobile phones etc) that it has no capability to manufacture. I don't see an essential change in that part of the equation.

What does concern me is that as the balance between rationalism and irrationalism tips towards rationalism (hopefully) then the feelings of persecution and isolation of the remaining irrationalists could possible grow to dangerous levels.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Asmodean

Quote from: "Tank"I don't see an essential change in that part of the equation.
If theists had a country, we wouldn't have to trade with it. Let them manufacture their own things. AND we could have two guards for every meter of the border :P

Stopping trade with Al Quaeda is a bit harder since they, like theists today, are everywhere.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.