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God did not create anything-it was always there

Started by jobee, April 08, 2010, 08:24:27 PM

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karadan

Quote from: "SSY"To be fair, a lot of that static is interference from things other then the cmb, like 99% of it is non cmb.

Shhh! I wanted Fdesilva to say it. :)
QuoteI find it mistifying that in this age of information, some people still deny the scientific history of our existence.

hvargas

#31
All the of the BOOKS that I had read so far still say the Big Bang is a THEORY. The Back Ground Radiation is claiming that its everywhere, but is it everywhere or is just as far as our instruments indicates? If the Univerese is infinite it does away with the BIG BANG and with the Back Ground Radiation as being everywhere. What most books claim is that so far the BIG BANG is their best explanations as to the origin of the Universe and that it has stood up to scientific experimentations but it is still recognize as a theory not a final conclusive fact. When it becomes a fact it will no longer be a theory.

karadan

Quote from: "hvargas"All the of the BOOKS that I had read so far still say the Big Bang is a THEORY. The Back Ground Radiation is a claimed that its everywhere, but it is everywhere or just as far as our instruments indicates? If the Univerese is infinite it does away with the BIG BANG and with the Back Ground Radiation as being everywhere. What most books claim is that so far the BIG BANG is their best explanations as to the origin of the Universe and that it has stood up to scientific experimentations but it is still recognize as a theory not a final conclusive fact. When it becomes a fact it will no longer be a theory.

Well, a theory is the highest attainable principle in science which explains a class of phenomena. The properties of an electric current is a theory, and yet you are able to use a computer to type on the internet because this theory of the electric current works. Any scientist worth their salt will never say conclusively that something is a 100% total fact because they will then be closed to new experiences, ideas and revelations. A closed-minded scientist isn't a very good scientist. If science assumes it has arrived at an ultimate truth, it then stops searching and developing.

Where did you get the idea the universe was infinite? Also, even if the universe was infinite (something we do not know) then why would that kill off any notion of the big bang or cosmic microwave background radiation?
QuoteI find it mistifying that in this age of information, some people still deny the scientific history of our existence.

Davin

Quote from: "hvargas"What most books claim is that so far the BIG BANG is their best explanations as to the origin of the Universe and that it has stood up to scientific experimentations but it is still recognize as a theory not a final conclusive fact. When it becomes a fact it will no longer be a theory.

How long do you think a theory takes before it becomes a "final conclusive fact?" Say like 300 hundred years of confirmation? The truth is, nothing in science ever becomes a "final conclusive fact" (except for some data). The theory is what explains why and how events happen, the events themselves are "final conclusive fact." A rock falling to the ground is a fact, the theory of gravity is what explains why the rock fell to the ground, how fast it was going when it hit the ground, what the rocks acceleration was... etc.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

elliebean

Quote from: "dictionary.com"1.  Theory,  hypothesis are used in non-technical contexts to mean an untested idea or opinion. A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity.  A hypothesis is a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth: This idea is only a hypothesis.
[emphasis mine]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory

For the sake of perspective, see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_theory
[size=150]â€"Ellie [/size]
You can’t lie to yourself. If you do you’ve only fooled a deluded person and where’s the victory in that?â€"Ricky Gervais

McQ

Quote from: "elliebean"
Quote from: "dictionary.com"1.  Theory,  hypothesis are used in non-technical contexts to mean an untested idea or opinion. A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity.  A hypothesis is a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth: This idea is only a hypothesis.
[emphasis mine]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory

For the sake of perspective, see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_theory

Thanks for posting the definitions. I was just shaking my head in disbelief at how ADAMANT hvargas was being with the word THEORY as he was MISUSING it.
 :D
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--Penn Jillette

elliebean

#36
YEAH, I think I KNOW what you MEAN.  ;)
[size=150]â€"Ellie [/size]
You can’t lie to yourself. If you do you’ve only fooled a deluded person and where’s the victory in that?â€"Ricky Gervais

hvargas

#37
Again, is not just most scientists but all scientists involved in the search of how the Universe came into existence that had not given the answer. So, when you read a book relating to this topic you read ideas and theories for which there are various. Sientists are hoping that through the works of these theories and ideas they may arrieved at a collective answer and it does not mean that it stops there. The electric current is something that you can work with and manipulate but you can't worked nor manipulate the Universe. If you want to go back to the dictionary do so but it will not make any different how it defines one thing or another. Here is my theory  " THE THEORY OF CONTRADICTIONS " . What does it state ? I will not reveal it.  :crazy:  :secret:  :hissyfit:  :bananacolor:

Whitney

Quote from: "hvargas"Again, is not just most scientists but all scientists involved in the search of how the Universe came into existence that had not given the answer. So, when you read a book relating to this topic you read ideas and theories for which there are various. The electric current is something that you can work with and manipulate but you can't worked nor manipulate the Universe.

Can you name one reputable scientist who questions the Big Bang theory?  The more varied views are related to what happened before the BB and are based on theoretical calculations since we don't have any data that reaches back that far.