God did not create anything-it was always there

[Heretical Rants]

Human beings are far to inquisitive to leave it at the 'we don't know' stage.

Certainly, but I think we should leave it to the astrophysisists for now... you know, like, the people actually interested enough in the field to devote their enire lives to it.

Right now, we don't have enough information to work with.

[jobee]

Human beings are far to inquisitive to leave it at the 'we don't know' stage.

Certainly, but I think we should leave it to the astrophysisists for now... you know, like, the people actually interested enough in the field to devote their enire lives to it.

Right now, we don't have enough information to work with.

All the latest info is on your computer, you can update when you like.

This man is worth a read=Miguel Alcubierre

[hvargas]

Most of the your every day tools and gagets, such as computer, internet, cane-opener and even the automobile, tires and many other things were invented by ordinary folks. Scientists mostly had invented the many ways of how to destroyed something. They devote their entire lives to finding not a solution for better living but solutions for governments armaments. Just  Astrophyscists devote their entire lives to that subject DOES NOT APPOINT THEM MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE. They had not reveal anything that has impressed me or that is of VALUE.

[Heretical Rants]

Just Astrophyscists devote their entire lives to that subject DOES NOT APPOINT THEM MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE. They had not reveal anything that has impressed me or that is of VALUE.

That's why we critique their findings... and... you know... read them critically?

And, of course, the little people with telescopes in their basements have been known to find out some pretty cool stuff, too.

[SSY]

SSY, Hi and live great. Scientists sometimes go to the ridicule perhaps to escape realitiy or something of the sort. Just like the Bible that its full of contradictions so are many scientific text. Some challenge the BB while others had bagun to accept  or just accepted it. Lets look at the basic, 1) quantum mechanics: matters/particles ( energy ), that comes from NOTHING. Question to asked, prior to the BB, there was nothing or there was something? Answer, if its NOTHING then the basics of quantum mechanics is false if the BB is true. They cannot be both true and there is more true to quantum mechanics than to the BB. The BB seems to be true cause it locks many things in especially " the expansion of the Universe ".  2) Its the Universe really expanding ? This is also false cause the Universe is not Expanding. Everything that exists is in constan motion, the Universe is in constan motion but not expanding. The Hubble Space Telescope will prove that. So far they are seeying up to 13 or 14 billions of light years and this is what many want to say is how old is the BB. There is a big BUT, tried this, supposed that you are able to go to the HORIZON and stand at exactly 14 billion light years. You will be at the edge of the UNIVERSE where it suppose to be expanding. This is what you will see, MANY MORE GALAXIES extending another 14 billion light years, can you comprehend that or even imagine it. Many things are possible but many things are also impossible. I had done a lot of readings to find some lights into my own reasonings but I had found that most don't have the answers to my questions. I had learned a great deal cause its a two way proccess. You need to look more deeply and not accept what is handed to you just cause is so and so who is stating it and so and so its an authority. I'm an AUTHORITY. Thats where you want to take yourself and when you do, you will be a step or more ahead especially when reading others who considered themselves the " AUTHORITY ".

Wow, I just can't argue with great logic like that

Answer, if its NOTHING then the basics of quantum mechanics is false if the BB is true.

Its the Universe really expanding ? This is also false cause the Universe is not Expanding.

supposed that you are able to go to the HORIZON and stand at exactly 14 billion light years. You will be at the edge of the UNIVERSE where it suppose to be expanding. This is what you will see, MANY MORE GALAXIES extending another 14 billion light years, can you comprehend that or even imagine it.

Unfortunately, you do not really understand these things, perhaps once you do, we could return to this area of discussion, but you have at least indirectly answered my question. The reason you do not believe in the BB is because you have very little education in cosmology. There is one question you failed to answer though. Is Vargas your last name?

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Scientists mostly had invented the many ways of how to destroyed something. They devote their entire lives to finding not a solution for better living but solutions for governments armaments.

This would be hilarious if it was not so sad, not just normal sad, but like, kittens being drowned sad. Sad as a group of excitable 5 years being told Santa is not real, and they have to pay back all the presents plus interest, in addition to the fact they have cancer and because they did not eat their vegetables, they lost their birthdays forever, this is litterally, that sad. Did something awful happen to you?

[Davin]

I had been thinking about this, while reading quite a bit. From what I understand the Big Bang Theory makes sense. I just think maybe we as humans may be limiting the size of the universe... I guess from just speculation: What if the big bang isn't the start of the universe, maybe it's a little more local than that (local but still freaking huge). What if the big bang is just the creation of several thousand galaxies just as suns get created... just on a much larger scale. So instead of just thinking that the universe was created 14 billion years ago, just the galaxies around us had been created and the big bang happens elsewhere in the universe.

So I guess my baseless idea is that in this universe is not just what got created by the big bang but our group of thousands of galaxies got created by a big bang and there are other big bangs that occurred and are occurring elsewhere just as new galaxies are occurring and new solar systems are occurring. Of course to find any kind of verification for such a silly idea would take a lot more time and galaxy tracking than I have available to test in the next 50-70 years. I just like the idea.

[Whitney]

I had been thinking about this, while reading quite a bit. From what I understand the Big Bang Theory makes sense. I just think maybe we as humans may be limiting the size of the universe... I guess from just speculation: What if the big bang isn't the start of the universe, maybe it's a little more local than that (local but still freaking huge). What if the big bang is just the creation of several thousand galaxies just as suns get created... just on a much larger scale. So instead of just thinking that the universe was created 14 billion years ago, just the galaxies around us had been created and the big bang happens elsewhere in the universe.

So I guess my baseless idea is that in this universe is not just what got created by the big bang but our group of thousands of galaxies got created by a big bang and there are other big bangs that occurred and are occurring elsewhere just as new galaxies are occurring and new solar systems are occurring. Of course to find any kind of verification for such a silly idea would take a lot more time and galaxy tracking than I have available to test in the next 50-70 years. I just like the idea.

I think you might be hard pressed to find a (competent) scientist that will say with any certainty that what we call the universe is in fact all there is.  What you are talking about sounds a lot like the bubble universe hypothesis (might be considered a theory in the mathematically valid sense, been a year or so since I've read about this subject so it's a bit fuzzy).

T=0 is just set at the big bang since that is when time started for everything that was caused by the chain of events leading from the big bang.

In short, what you are saying is possible even while accepting the Big Bang as valid.

[karadan]

Most of the your every day tools and gagets, such as computer, internet, cane-opener and even the automobile, tires and many other things were invented by ordinary folks. Scientists mostly had invented the many ways of how to destroyed something. They devote their entire lives to finding not a solution for better living but solutions for governments armaments. Just  Astrophyscists devote their entire lives to that subject DOES NOT APPOINT THEM MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE. They had not reveal anything that has impressed me or that is of VALUE.

Hmm, everything you've said in this thread is provably false. Instead of countering with a well constructed and time consuming reply - one which will ultimately remain unread by yourself - I'll simply ask the following of you:

What is the static you see on a TV when it is not tuned to a station?

If you answer this then maybe I'll consider replying to some of your other posts. If you don't reply then I'll just assume you're another fundy in love with the sound of its own voice with an overtly disdainful attitude for facts.

[SSY]

To be fair, a lot of that static is interference from things other then the cmb, like 99% of it is non cmb.

[i_am_i]

Scientists mostly had invented the many ways of how to destroyed something.

This is a classic.

[Whitney]

If you don't reply then I'll just assume you're another fundy in love with the sound of its own voice with an overtly disdainful attitude for facts.

Yet s/he is an atheist according to other posts; can't even blame it on fundy indoctrination.

[curiosityandthecat]

Protip: "Big Bang" was a derisive phrase used to make fun of the original proposition.

[SSY]

Protip: "Big Bang" was a derisive phrase used to make fun of the original proposition.

Since co-opted and now recognised as a neutral reference by everyone in the scientific community?

[curiosityandthecat]

Protip: "Big Bang" was a derisive phrase used to make fun of the original proposition.

Since co-opted and now recognised as a neutral reference by everyone in the scientific community?

Same way facial tissues are called Kleenex, adhesive bandages are called Band-Aids and cotton swabs are called Q-Tips: sometimes the name just sticks.

The point being that it's difficult to wrap your head around the concept of the Big Bang without thinking of it as an explosion with a starting point, after which material moved outward from that central point. But that's not what the Big Bang really is. So yes, co-opted as a neutral reference by everyone in the scientific community, the reference being to universe-expanding, singularity-origin-driven theory.

[elliebean]

Same way facial tissues are called Kleenex, adhesive bandages are called Band-Aids and cotton swabs are called Q-Tips....

....and "I don't know" is called "God"....