[some light plz]

Many is laughing about the flood and the ark of Noah , and the disaster :
It is much easier to believe that  Noah carried  animals in his ark more than believing that there is no creator of heavens and earth .

if the story of Noah is true  not a myth  : are you going to believe in God ?

It is a myth so it doesn't matter (answer is no I wouldn't)...preaching is against HAF rules.  Please read the rules and stop preaching.

thanks ,  

[curiosityandthecat]

It is much easier to believe that  Noah carried  animals in his ark more than believing that there is no creator of heavens and earth

[Mark L Holland]

To Whitney

  Forgive me on the details from what I understand the Noah story is a copy of a Sanskrit story predating Noah by several thousand years.  I believe it had something to do with Gilgamesh or something like that.  But from the documentaries I have seen they were of the opinion that the great flood was simply a remake of the Sanskrit story.  And you are right there is no evidence of a global flood.  

 

[G-Roll]

Discovery offered the best argument i have ever heard yet. i think a big (maybe not global) flood is possible but i dont buy the arc story. and no if it was proven the whole earth flooded i wouldnt believe in noahs story. just in case that question pops up...

discovery article:
Why, then, don’t we know about it? Masse contends that we do. Almost every culture has a legend about a great flood, andâ€"with a little reading between the linesâ€"many of them mention something like a comet on a collision course with Earth just before the disaster. The Bible describes a deluge for 40 days and 40 nights that created a flood so great that Noah was stuck in his ark for two weeks until the water subsided. In the Gilgamesh Epic, the hero of Mesopotamia saw a pillar of black smoke on the horizon before the sky went dark for a week. Afterward, a cyclone pummeled the Fertile Crescent and caused a massive flood. Myths recounted in indigenous South American cultures also tell of a great flood.
“These stories are all exactly what you would expect from the survivors of a celestial impact,” Masse says, leafing through 2,000-year-old drawings by Chinese astronomers that show comets of all shapes and sizes. “When a comet rounds the sun, oftentimes its tail is still being blown forward by the solar winds so that it actually precedes it. That is why so many descriptions of comets in mythology mention that they are wearing horns.” In India, he notes, a celestial fish described as “bright as a moonbeam,” with a horn on its head, warned of an epic flood that brought on a new age of man.
“When Abbott began searching satellite images on Earth, she saw dozens of chevrons along shorelines and inland in Africa and Asia. The shape and size of these chevrons suggest that they might have been formed by waves emanating from the impact of a comet slamming into the deep ocean off Madagascar. “The chevrons in Madagascar associated with the crater were filled with melted microfossils from the bottom of the ocean. There is no explanation for their presence other than a cosmic impact,” she says. “People are going to have to start taking this theory a lot more seriously.” The next step is to perform carbon-14 dating on the fossils to see if they are indeed 5,000 years old.”

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/nov/di ... :int=1&-C= <-- the rest of the article

[some light plz]

Preaching and [ winning and losing ]
Many of you know the meaning of winning and losing :
1-   when we lost 1000 $ it is loss .
2-   when we lost 100000 $ it is bigger loss .
3-   when we lost 1000000 $ it is the biggest loss .
but when our life ends in hell , I am sure the word [loss, big loss , biggest loss ] is not going to be the exact meaning . and there is no word can describe this situation .the pleasures and delights  which were in life will became mirage .

yes , you are the admin have the right to apply forum's rules on me even if I have my excuse .
also there is the God who is going to apply his rules on you and you can not find one excuse to defend  yourself .

so if you welcome me , this will be generosity from you and from members .
if not , thanks for your hospitality .

[AlP]

[Mark L Holland]

Preaching and [ winning and losing ]
Many of you know the meaning of winning and losing :
1-   when we lost 1000 $ it is loss .
2-   when we lost 100000 $ it is bigger loss .
3-   when we lost 1000000 $ it is the biggest loss .
but when our life ends in hell , I am sure the word [loss, big loss , biggest loss ] is not going to be the exact meaning . and there is no word can describe this situation .the pleasures and delights  which were in life will became mirage .

yes , you are the admin have the right to apply forum's rules on me even if I have my excuse .
also there is the God who is going to apply his rules on you and you can not find one excuse to defend  yourself .

so if you welcome me , this will be generosity from you and from members .
if not , thanks for your hospitality .

  Some Light Plz

  Your God does not exist, while some Gods may exist yours is not one of them.  There is nothing for an Atheist to fear in rejecting your God or any God for that matter.  I am only accountable to the God that I believe in and the God I believe in is not your God.  The threats of damnation from your God mean as much to me as the threat of a light wind blowing my hair around and since I shave my head that means your God is no threat to me.  If you wish to speak the infallible truth of your God and with the infallible authority of your God, you could ask him to be considerate enough to actually give you the power and authority to prove such a thing.  But that only works if your God is real which of course he is not.
 

[some light plz]

Some Light Plz

  Your God does not exist, while some Gods may exist yours is not one of them.  There is nothing for an Atheist to fear in rejecting your God or any God for that matter.  I am only accountable to the God that I believe in and the God I believe in is not your God.  The threats of damnation from your God mean as much to me as the threat of a light wind blowing my hair around and since I shave my head that means your God is no threat to me.  If you wish to speak the infallible truth of your God and with the infallible authority of your God, you could ask him to be considerate enough to actually give you the power and authority to prove such a thing.  But that only works if your God is real which of course he is not.
 

I am waiting for the permission from admin to prove it .
Then I will Rock your body with things you do not know .
with  my full respect to you

[curiosityandthecat]

Then I will Rock your body with things you do not know .

[youtube:2lwiztrc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYHDd9FIaqc[/youtube:2lwiztrc]

[AlP]

What a welcome [strike:2tykz0wa]release[/strike:2tykz0wa] relief.

[Whitney]

I am waiting for the permission from admin to prove it .

The rules are no preaching; which at HAF means if you make an argumentative claim you must back it up with either evidence or reason.  

Rule:

NO PREACHING: While everyone is welcome to discuss their views in a civil manner, this forum is not a podium for those that only wish to preach. This rule applies to atheists and theists alike.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522

So, if you are prepared to prove god using logic or evidence...go ahead.  I can tell you right now that you will not be able to prove god as philosophers and various religious groups have been trying to do so for centuries...however, it is possible to provide a reasoned argument (not that we will necessarily agree with your reasoning process).

Before you proceed...it may be a good idea for you to do a quick search of the forum:

Search link:  search.php

Doing so will save us all a lot of time as we have probably discussed almost every common argument for and against god.  Keep in mind that most of us are already familiar with the beliefs of Christianity, have been involved in a church at some point in our lives (some of us very involved), and quite a few of us have read the Bible.

Preaching and [ winning and losing ]
Many of you know the meaning of winning and losing :
1-   when we lost 1000 $ it is loss .
2-   when we lost 100000 $ it is bigger loss .
3-   when we lost 1000000 $ it is the biggest loss .
but when our life ends in hell , I am sure the word [loss, big loss , biggest loss ] is not going to be the exact meaning . and there is no word can describe this situation .the pleasures and delights  which were in life will became mirage .

Oh and stuff like this (Pascal's Wager) has definitely been discussed on the forum.  Reasonable Christians don't even use it because they know it is flawed.

yes , you are the admin have the right to apply forum's rules on me even if I have my excuse .

There is no excuse for not following the rules on a private forum...you either follow them or you don't post at all.

also there is the God who is going to apply his rules on you and you can not find one excuse to defend  yourself .

^FYI, this is preaching. If you don't understand the difference between preaching and discussion please ask questions so that we can be on the same page.

Unlike "god" I have established communication directly with you so that my (well, our, the rules were created via discussion) rules are known rather than assumed by people who were told by some guy that I said a long time ago to follow these rules.

Oh, and where are you from?  I don't think English is your first language and it is often helpful to establish that fact so people understand when trying to figure out what you are saying.  It helps people to know to ask for clarification rather than laughing at what sounds like a sexual comment (ie "Then I will Rock your body with things you do not know")

[some light plz]

thnaks Whitney

Thanks .
I appreciate your response  .. also I will try my best to respect and follow AHF Rules …  sometimes will feel that  my answers or comments are preaching but please accept them as answers .. because we are different in thoughts .


I am a Muslim , from Saudi Arabia .. Arabic is the mother language , so sometimes you will face problem to get the idea right … but I will die while learner .

Mark L Holland
I am very sorry for saying that ,
And thank you friends for revealing this to me .
My apology and respect to you Mark

[Whitney]

. Arabic is the mother language , so sometimes you will face problem to get the idea right … but I will die while learner .

Ah, I assumed wrong and thought you were Christian based on what you had already stated on the forum; my bad.  Not many of us have much of a background in studying Islam but I think a few do.  We don't get many Muslims posting here, probably because there aren't that many English speaking Muslims in comparison to English speaking Christians (or maybe evangelism isn't as strongly encouraged in Islam as it is in fundamentalist Christianity?)  In my experience with Muslim friends they are happy to tell you about their belief if asked but otherwise try not to impose; that could also be because my Muslim friends have all been Americans so they are use to being around a lot of people who have differing religious views.

[Mark L Holland]

To some light plz

  My apologese as well, I to thought you were an evangelical or fundamentalist christian while I consider Islam, Judaism and Christianity all to be flawed beliefs, Christianity is my bread and butter.  So long as Islam and Judaism leave me alone, I am more then willing to leave them alone.  Sorry that you have your radical extremists like we have our fundamentalists and evangelicals.

  Allah Akbar, just do not argue Allah with me.
 

[AlP]

Do you understand the practical application of law in Saudi Arabia some light plz? This is something that really interests me. I'm not trying to trap you on this. I really want first hand information about Saudi Arabia. If you can answer questions about that without preaching, I suspect a number of people would be very interested.