[Mark L Holland]

To some light pls

  Like AIP I would not mind knowing some more about Islam, But like AIP no preaching please.  I find that Islam, Judaism and Christianity all have seeds of truth contained in their holy books, but that those seeds of truth are far outweighed by the vile and destructive garbage that they contain.  So I would at least like to talk about the basics of the Islamic belief but do it for information not for conversion.
 

[some light plz]

Islam is a five pillars :

1- Shahadah is a statement professing monotheism and accepting Muhammad as God's messenger and his servant . The shahadah is a set statement normally recited in Arabic, translated as: "[I profess that] There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his Prophet."

2- Salah : prayer the requirement to pray five times a day at fixed times during the day . at a known and specific times .

3- Zakat or alms-giving is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth for an specific people .

4-Fasting the9th  month [ month of Ramadan] . each year on every  adult capable sensible Muslim

5- Performing Hajj at the holy Mosque in Makkah , one in life , for a Muslim who able to do it .

thanks for asking , without preaching

[Mark L Holland]

To some light pls

  Thank you.

 

[LoneMateria]

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[some light plz]

Allah knows that will come people to say : Noah is a myth and the ark is a myth . therefore he put for them a proof  :
the mount of al-judi .

http://55a.net/firas/en1/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=90

http://www.arksearch.com/najudi.htm

who did tell  prophet Mohammad about its place ?

to Mark : proud to know persons like you..

[some light plz]

Hello Whitney ,

(Pascal's Wager) comes at the holy Quran as a certain truth . a conversation between a believer and an atheist
In Surah 37 :
50. Then they will turn to one another and question one another.
51. One of them will start the talk and say: "I had an intimate companion (on the earth),
52. "Who used to say, 'what! art thou amongst those who bear witness to the Truth (of the Message)?
53. "'When we die and become dust and bones, shall we indeed receive rewards and punishments?'"
54. (A voice) said: "Would ye like to look down?"
55. He looked down and saw him in the midst of the Fire.
56. He said: "By Allah. thou wast little short of bringing me to perdition!
57. "Had it not been for the Grace of my Lord, I should certainly have been among those brought (there)!
58. "Is it (the case) that we shall not die,
59. "Except our first death, and that we shall not be punished?"
60. Verily this is the supreme achievement!
61. For the like of this let all strive, who wish to strive.
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Dear :
This is not the only conversation at the holy Quran ,
If you ensure with proofs there is no resurrection after death  ... I will become an atheist .

[Squid]

If you ensure with proofs there is no resurrection after death  ... I will become an atheist .

The onus of proof is on those proposing an argument against a null.  Therefore it must be shown empirically that resurrection after death does occur.  Stories from ancient manuscripts and codexes are not adequate evidence as the events cannot be verified.  Frankly, it is not our intention to change your alignment with religion but rather to spur some analytical thinking rather than operation from supernatural, unsubstantiated presuppositions without question.

[Whitney]

Hello Whitney ,

(Pascal's Wager) comes at the holy Quran as a certain truth . a conversation between a believer and an atheist

If you ensure with proofs there is no resurrection after death  ... I will become an atheist .

So...um...are you follower of Islam or are you a Christian.  I thought Muslims didn't believe in the resurrection.

Anyway, pascal's wager fails on multiple levels; you can search the forum for threads on that topic.

Btw, pls don't refer to me as 'dear'

[some light plz]

If you ensure with proofs there is no resurrection after death  ... I will become an atheist .

The onus of proof is on those proposing an argument against a null.  Therefore it must be shown empirically that resurrection after death does occur.  Stories from ancient manuscripts and codexes are not adequate evidence as the events cannot be verified.  Frankly, it is not our intention to change your alignment with religion but rather to spur some analytical thinking rather than operation from supernatural, unsubstantiated presuppositions without question.

Simple: I proved the Ark of prophet Noah is truth and not a myth . also I will present the proof for resurrection  . of course by scientific and logical ways and the holy Quran .

Then the matter will be  , with a full freedom and an absolute  choice by you : to believe or not to believe . the end leads you to the previous verses .

For now : please read the cogent simple logic " my signature "

[pinkocommie]

If you ensure with proofs there is no resurrection after death  ... I will become an atheist .

The onus of proof is on those proposing an argument against a null.  Therefore it must be shown empirically that resurrection after death does occur.  Stories from ancient manuscripts and codexes are not adequate evidence as the events cannot be verified.  Frankly, it is not our intention to change your alignment with religion but rather to spur some analytical thinking rather than operation from supernatural, unsubstantiated presuppositions without question.

Simple: I proved the Ark of prophet Noah is truth and not a myth . also I will present the proof for resurrection  . of course by scientific and logical ways and the holy Quran .

Then the matter will be  , with a full freedom and an absolute  choice by you : to believe or not to believe . the end leads you to the previous verses .

For now : please read the cogent simple logic " my signature "

I don't see where you proved Noah's Ark as a truth in any way.  Am I missing something?  There is absolutely no scientific proof of there ever being a global flood - it's completely and entirely impossible.

[some light plz]

to Whitney

Ok , from now on : you are my enemy .

Just joking : a friend even if we disagreed in thoughts .

We believe that resurrection will be by spirits and bodies

[Squid]

If you ensure with proofs there is no resurrection after death  ... I will become an atheist .

The onus of proof is on those proposing an argument against a null.  Therefore it must be shown empirically that resurrection after death does occur.  Stories from ancient manuscripts and codexes are not adequate evidence as the events cannot be verified.  Frankly, it is not our intention to change your alignment with religion but rather to spur some analytical thinking rather than operation from supernatural, unsubstantiated presuppositions without question.

Simple: I proved the Ark of prophet Noah is truth and not a myth . also I will present the proof for resurrection  . of course by scientific and logical ways and the holy Quran .

Then the matter will be  , with a full freedom and an absolute  choice by you : to believe or not to believe . the end leads you to the previous verses .

For now : please read the cogent simple logic " my signature "

Umm, no, you posted scripture and links to personal websites.  Their proof is to string together vague and ambiguous material - very similar to the behavior of conspiracy theorists.  There has been no empirical substantiation by anything approaching scientific rigor.  Not to mention referencing the Quran is not proof of anything - the compulsive writings of an TL epileptic do not fit the label of scientific either.

[rb24]

I remember one time in early morning seminary class, Our teacher took us out side to the parking lot and we measured how big Noah's Ark was. Although ridiculously big, no way it could fit 10 million species. I really don't see how anyone could take that story literally.

[Mark L Holland]

Especially when one takes into account that the Gilgamesh story predates the Noah story by centuries.  They have also recently found a sanscrit tablet discribing the Ark to have been circular in design.
 

[Zyva]

I'd like to see that sanscrit tablet!!

My question about Noah's ark has always been, after landing on Mt. Ararat how did any of the animals get to Australia? And why aren't there kangaroos in Turkey?  Did all of the kangaroos and koalas and platypus's book passage to Australia immediately after landing on Mt Ararat?