Atheism is a lie

[ebarrowes]

Atheists enjoy a life free from the struggle to "do good" because when you leave off trying to please God, the devil leaves off of you; now you are now more or less on course for his program.

...the hell does that even mean?

I know that atheists, especially the ones in charge of websites, are anxious to weild their power in banning those who contradict atheism.

Oh, do you now? Wield, like Jesus wielding the sword of holy justice, hm?

The atheists get very disturbed at my comments and therefore, the moderator deems me bannable.

I think you're confusing the word "disturbed" with the word "annoyed." But, honestly (and I'm not a mod), all I've seen so far is ignorance, meaningless claims and the need to create a new post for every thought you have.

If you get banned for anything, it seems like it'll be spamming. Go on home, Big Love.

There are two main forces in the world.  The more effort you put into God's program, the more effort the devil puts into opposing you.  Logical, (assuming they exist) wouldn't you say?

Thanks for the spelling correction.  It looked a bit weird.

If I am in error, then I exult in that.  In my experience, atheists are like rabid dogs when you try to take away their bone.

[skurry]

A "moral" atheist refrains from the first. Are there atheists who strive to avoid the second?

Would you like a mirror?

Do I give to the poor? Yep, and I spend my winters in Chicago handing out blankets and "hand warmers" to the homeless.

Do I help people in need? Yep.

Adopt from shelters? Sure do.

I'm not sure what you are asking, but if you are only doing good deeds to please god then you aren't truly doing good deeds for the right reason in the eys of your god. You are doing them to buy points, and he will see right through that and call bullshite on it.

I would also like non biblical evidence for your argument of the god vs satan thing... and the magic undies thing.

Stop making assumptions, "rabid dogs"? You truly are a troll. Everyone has been kind to you so far.

[MrWizard]

I am an atheist and so is my wife. We both run animal rescues. All of our pets are special needs. We spend thousands of dollars a year rescuing special need pets and livestock and re homing them.  We do not gain anything physical or monetary from our actions. I donate my time at hospices, my wife is involved any many education programs for at need kids.

Would you care to explain our actions as we do not have god in our life to direct our morality and ethics?

[ebarrowes]

An often quoted atheist said something along the lines of;

"If you agree that, in the absence of God, you would 'commit robbery, rape, and murder', you reveal yourself as an immoral person, 'and we would be well advised to steer a wide course around you'. If on the other hand, you admit that you would continue to be a good person even when not under divine surveillance, you have fatally undermined your claim that God is necessary for us to be good."

The way I like to put it is "If the only thing stopping you going postal is a belief in God, I don't want to be around you if you have a crisis of faith".

ebarrowes,

I repeat my question. Did you come here with the intention of being banned? You seem to have a chronic case of martyr syndrome.

I say with some confidence that it will not be crticism of atheism that will cause it to happen. The spamming, preaching and lack of desire to engage in a rational debate on the other hand....

You ranting does the cause of atheism the world of good, to be honest.

I can also assure you that I do not get disturbed at your comments. That you are potentially able to vote  and live amongst normal people does undermine my faith in humanity somewhat, however.

I am quite aware that I may get banned here.  Sadly, I have discovered mild entertainment in seeing how many atheist forums I will get banned from, without doing anything wrong.  I would like to find common ground, but I get banned before that happens.  I've only gotten banned from the atheistforums website so far.  I think the atheists feel like I've invaded their secret garden, where they mutually congratulate each other on being right.  So, instead of deal with the issues up front, they prefer to ban me.
Common ground so far:  If you oppose a god who forces followers into obedience, then I am with you.  We have a name for that god -- Satan.  Yes, I am here to disturb your self-deceptive slumber, and for that, I will not be surprised if I get banned from here as well.  Unless... I am able to find virtue, honor, character and backbone.
Any conversation here, which does not presuppose atheistic as correct, I think will get banned.

[Chimera]

So...how do you know that god and the devil exist? Do you have evidence for this supposition?

[ebarrowes]

I am an atheist and so is my wife. We both run animal rescues. All of our pets are special needs. We spend thousands of dollars a year rescuing special need pets and livestock and re homing them.  We do not gain anything physical or monetary from our actions. I donate my time at hospices, my wife is involved any many education programs for at need kids.

Would you care to explain our actions as we do not have god in our life to direct our morality and ethics?

You live a divided life, my friend.  You dismiss God at one turn, and serve Him the next.  I have at times past, believed something that was not true, all the while doing good things unrelated, later to discover my folly.

[Karras]

[I am quite aware that I may get banned here.  Sadly, I have discovered mild entertainment in seeing how many atheist forums I will get banned from, without doing anything wrong.  I would like to find common ground, but I get banned before that happens.  I've only gotten banned from the atheistforums website so far.  I think the atheists feel like I've invaded their secret garden, where they mutually congratulate each other on being right.  So, instead of deal with the issues up front, they prefer to ban me.
Common ground so far:  If you oppose a god who forces followers into obedience, then I am with you.  We have a name for that god -- Satan.  Yes, I am here to disturb your self-deceptive slumber, and for that, I will not be surprised if I get banned from here as well.  Unless... I am able to find virtue, honor, character and backbone.
Any conversation here, which does not presuppose atheistic as correct, I think will get banned.

How do you propose to find common ground when you have done nothing but preach? Do you not feel it would be beneficial to open a dialogue to discover this common ground? Do you not feel comments like

atheists are like rabid dogs when you try to take away their bone

are counter-productive?

If you cannot see what you are doing wrong, I suspect it may be beyond my ability to explain it to you.

Tell me, do you approach all disputes in life by telling the opposition that they are working for the devil?

[ebarrowes]

So...how do you know that god and the devil exist? Do you have evidence for this supposition?

The evidence is that if you seek Him, you will find Him, not as a figment of  your imagination, but as a real communication.  You must seek Him to seek Him, not just so you can say that you tried and got nothing.  You have to really want to know and be honest with what you find.

[Karras]

So...how do you know that god and the devil exist? Do you have evidence for this supposition?

The evidence is that if you seek Him, you will find Him, not as a figment of  your imagination, but as a real communication.  You must seek Him to seek Him, not just so you can say that you tried and got nothing.  You have to really want to know and be honest with what you find.

You are about one post away from the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

Tell me, how do you account for all of the honest, devout Christians who spend their lives seeking real communication with God, fail and become atheists?

[Whitney]

I know that atheists, especially the ones in charge of websites, are anxious to weild their power in banning those who contradict atheism.

If you had taken a moment to read some other threads before speaking like a jackass you'd notice that we do allow theists to speak here and one of the moderators is a theist.  This is your final reminder to read the rules and follow them.

[skurry]

So...how do you know that god and the devil exist? Do you have evidence for this supposition?

The evidence is that if you seek Him, you will find Him, not as a figment of  your imagination, but as a real communication.  You must seek Him to seek Him, not just so you can say that you tried and got nothing.  You have to really want to know and be honest with what you find.

I'm sorry that is not evidence. Evidence is tangible. What I believe you are speaking to is a little voice inside your head, but hey, that's just me. I'm sorry that you think that WE are the ones who are lost.

[karadan]

god and the devil have a program? What, like AA or something? Maybe it is a course of injections.

Hmm, count me out. I dislike needles.

[Heretical Rants]

ebarrows, I cease to care about your faith as soon as you admit that it is FAITH, and may not be right for everyone.

If you have come here to tell us that we are lost souls, or to save us, then you've wasted your time.

Maybe you should go convert some Muslims :hmm:

You live a divided life, my friend. You dismiss God at one turn, and serve Him the next. I have at times past, believed something that was not true, all the while doing good things unrelated, later to discover my folly.

I'm sure he doesn't feel that way.

Myself, I certainly didn't just "dismiss" god.  Actually, it got to the point where I would just have been lying to myself if I said I believed in the supernatural.  Why does this make my good deeds a contradiction?

[Tanker]

It seems like you are deliberatly being antagonistic in an atempt to get yourself banned. Like you want to be able to say "See I knew those mean atheists would bann me". Well I've got to tell you the only people who are banned are spammers, troll, and anyone else who won't read and follow the rules. Atheists get banned for breaking the rules same as Theists. It seems kind of petty, delibratly trying to get banned from as many atheist forums as possible, as you've admitted to doing. There have been several theists who can come and had a civilsed disscusion without breaking the rules. Why do you like seeing how far you can push the line before you get banned? It seems like such a petty and empty way to act the martyr.

[skurry]

It seems like you are deliberatly being antagonistic in an atempt to get yourself banned. Like you want to be able to say "See I knew those mean atheists would bann me". Well I've got to tell you the only people who are banned are spammers, troll, and anyone else who won't read and follow the rules. Atheists get banned for breaking the rules same as Theists. It seems kind of petty, delibratly trying to get banned from as many atheist forums as possible, as you've admitted to doing. There have been several theists who can come and had a civilsed disscusion without breaking the rules. Why do you like seeing how far you can push the line before you get banned? It seems like such a petty and empty way to act the martyr.

Agreed. Skurry's 2 cents administered.