A Christian response to atheism

[Whitney]

Sauk...if you don't understand why taking away a human's basic right to freedom is wrong...then I don't know what to say.  I thought that was something even children could grasp.  Same thing goes for not understanding why ignoring saying not to do something is condoning that action.

[Amor Fati]

Whew, what a thread.  Only one thing remains to be said:

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard.  At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even cloe to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.  I award you no points, and may god have mercey on your soul.

[McQ]

Whew, what a thread.  Only one thing remains to be said:

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard.  At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even cloe to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.  I award you no points, and may god have mercey on your soul.

Amen, brother!  :wink:

[saukhasi]

lae: have you not been reading either? masters didn't just "take away a basic freedom" - the servant agrees to belong to the master in that the master has to provide for the servant. Joseph was a servant too, and even one of a heathen - yet he lived a darn good life. Not to mention the one of King Saul. If the master did something bad - God certainly would have punished. But becoming a servant was a way to survive - why would God strip that away? Why do you think servants MUST HAVE their rights stripped away? What can't you understand about a master treating a servant nicely? Just because the African's weren't treated nicely? Well I can assure you that those white people wouldn't be treated to nicely after death either.

Plus, it's not like God forbids helping poor people and require all to become slaves- read the story of Ruth.

[saukhasi]

McQ - can you not even pick out arguments from your own posts? Can you do it or not? Can you at least try?
Big Mac - can you not even read? Can you at least try?

I don't care if you've *taught sunday school or not - I can see why you left your church: what kind of church would be so stupid to let people like you teach?

[McQ]

lae: have you not been reading either? masters didn't just "take away a basic freedom" - the servant agrees to belong to the master in that the master has to provide for the servant. Joseph was a servant too, and even one of a heathen - yet he lived a darn good life. Not to mention the one of King Saul. If the master did something bad - God certainly would have punished. But becoming a servant was a way to survive - why would God strip that away? Why do you think servants MUST HAVE their rights stripped away? What can't you understand about a master treating a servant nicely? Just because the African's weren't treated nicely? Well I can assure you that those white people wouldn't be treated to nicely after death either.

Plus, it's not like God forbids helping poor people and require all to become slaves- read the story of Ruth.

Yeah, lae....what's the matter with you? You can't read either! Geez. Nobody but saukhasi can interpret the bible. Don't you get it? I mean, don't go bringing African slaves into all this. Or slaves from anywhere else for that matter. And stop quibbling about the definition of slavery. It's not like the slaves in the bible had it rough. They CHOSE to be slaves, you know? It was a lifestyle choice, like being a martyr. It was pretty cushy. They had to be treated nice or else...

I'm so glad that we have someone here....apparently the only human fit to interpret the bible for us....to help us out. Otherwise, laetusatheos your forum would fall apart.   :roll:

[McQ]

McQ - can you not even pick out arguments from your own posts? Can you do it or not? Can you at least try?
Big Mac - can you not even read? Can you at least try?

I don't care if you've *taught sunday school or not - I can see why you left your church: what kind of church would be so stupid to let people like you teach?

 

You've got to be kidding! Oh man, this just gets more and more fun. saukhasi I'm only bothering to reply to you because it's so enjoyable to watch you fall apart in here. With each post you hit new levels of stupidity, all the while thinking that everyone else is wrong, and you alone are right. I'll have to look in the DSM VI to see how many of the criteria for Narcissistic Disorder that you meet (I'm guessing at least 6 of 9, maybe more).

If you can't find the things that I already posted twice, it is YOUR problem, not mine. I'll bet real money that anyone else in this forum could pick out what I'm talking about except you. But just in case you're still having trouble, here it is:

http://www.happyatheistforum.com/fpost4465.html#4465

But by all means, keep posting. This is much more fun than the same old thing. And don't forget to ask yourself, "WWJD?"

Lastly, suakhasi what is your purpose here anyway? To teach, preach, convert? What is it? And you've still never answered what denomination or affiliation you are. Afraid of something?

(edited to fix DSM VI)

[Whitney]

Shame on me for actually reading the parts of the Bible which don't support this voluntary and friendly master slave relationship.  (Of course someone could serve as a servant and be treated well, there were even cases of that occurring with American slavery.)  Shame on me for finding it unethical to restrict the freedoms of an innocent human being.  Shame on me for thinking it is wrong for a man to have to stay in slavery just to remain with his family.  Shame on me for thinking a god should know there are better ways to help the poor than slavery.  Shame on me for thinking it's wrong to take the captive women of tribes as wives only to be tossed aside if they aren't pleasurable enough.  Shame on us all for being humanitarians...that's anti-God.

[Big Mac]

McQ - can you not even pick out arguments from your own posts? Can you do it or not? Can you at least try?
Big Mac - can you not even read? Can you at least try?

I don't care if you've *taught sunday school or not - I can see why you left your church: what kind of church would be so stupid to let people like you teach?

My dear retard, of course I can read. I read perfectly fine what you wrote. I will not give you lee-way because of English being your second language. If you didn't want to be treated harshly, don't stick your head out and make stupid ass comments. It's not a complex formula, dear. If you think being a slave can't be bad, why don't you surrender yourself to me immediately. I'll be a nice master but you'll do whatever I say because I own you, got it? Why do I have a feeling you wouldn't jump onto that? Any takers on that one?

[saukhasi]

"Shame on us all for being humanitarians...that's anti-God."

- support what you say.

[Faylen]

sauk, everyone, everywhere you've posted this thread, has supported what they say.  In fact, the statement you quoted was a conclusion, supported by previous sentences (as well as previous posts).  Just because you don't read what people are writing doesn't mean they aren't writing it.  More than anything I've seen anywhere before, your arguments depend upon redefining words that are in common useage so they support your arguments, and twisting other people's perfectly plausible arguments in such a way to indicate deliberate misunderstanding on your part.  It's almost like quotemining, only in a Forum.  

Slavery in the bible is different from servitude, just as it was in recent past, and just as it is today.  It doesn't take a whole lot of thought to understand that being owned like an object and being hired to perform a job are entirely different things.  If you're really convinced that they're the same, I'm sure there are a number of places here in the US with predominantly African-American populations who'd love to hear you lecture on how blessed their ancestors were to be well-loved and highly-regarded servants.  You might even live to repeat the lecture after they let you out of the hospital.

[saukhasi]

"sauk, everyone, everywhere you've posted this thread, has supported what they say."
- provide support. You are contradicting yourself right there.

"Slavery in the bible is different from servitude"
- I never said they were the same. You are the one who seems to assert that God will not punish bad masters - where did you get that from? if it is not supported by the Bible, how does your argument "God is evil' stand? If you cannot answer neither of those questions, then you've just contradicted yourself again by asserting that everyone has provided support.

[MikeyV]

Sauk,

Just so you don't think I haven't been following this thread, I will reply.

I'm sorry that I can't post responses to you anymore. You see, I don't associate with evil or immoral people. The simple fact that you can't aknowledge that slavery is wrong means you are either evil, immoral, or both.

Just because a book endorses something, doesn't mean you have to follow suit. The thread has devolved into something disgusting that I won't take part in anymore.

I'm left with several conclusions that could be drawn. You have no problems with slavery. If that's the case, I know a couple of white power churches you might feel right at home in. Or, you are so deluded by the "good books (there's a contradiction in term if I ever heard one)" that you will justify any human indignity. Or, you are not understanding what is being said. Or, you are just stupid. Or, you are a troll.

Whichever it is, don't bother responding, as this is the last you will hear from me on this topic.

[McQ]

Well folks, saukhasi has been reduced to the internet equivalent of sticking her fingers in her ears and saying, "I CAN'T HEEEEAAAR YOOOU!"

She also has forgotten how to use the quote feature, or is too lazy to do it. Shame.

It's also interesting that she keeps telling us to support what we say. No, not interesting...incredibly ironic.

saukhasi, you've asked me to pick out arguments from my posts. When will you:

a. come out with some kind of (any kind) logical argument, or for that matter, any kind of statement, declaration, point or purpose?

b. go read the items I re-re-posted for you, since that answers your request for what I have stated?

c. Learn to use the "Quotes" feature of this forum?

d. Stop trolling and make a statement that we can discuss rationally?

e. Answer my question as to what your purpose is here in the first place (kind of redundant, but I wanted it to get through to you)?

[saukhasi]

mcQ - please, show me which one of a to e is supposed to be an argument?