The secret Christians aren’t sharing with you

[godincarnate.me]

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Not only Christians, but many people from many different religions know the truth. Even some of the the non-religious know the truth, but don't speak it. The truth couldn't be revealed to mankind for obvious reasons. Someone would harm this Man. The truth is clear as day to me.

Indeed, you already asserted that "many people" are aware of the supposed incarnation of a popular deity. Apparently this assertion is based on your personal intuition. As long as that's the case, there's no reason to give it any further consideration. I suppose it could be an opportunity to impersonate a philosophaster. . . 

At this point in writing my post I considered whether "you're talking through your hat" could be considered a civil phrase. Could be, but leans toward uncivil. Once thinking about the phrase I delved into its etymology (of course I did). As with so many English/American idioms, the origins aren't clear. However, early examples in print appear to already carry the basic concept.

I'll say this--if the central premises were congruent with reality, then it would be wise to be concerned for personal safety. If.

As one story goes, even the embodiment of a deity is not immune to physical harm. Since it's a story yours aligns with, the paranoia logically follows.

Still, despite the requirement that the truth couldn't be revealed to mankind, we happy atheists are being given a glimpse of it. I'll ask again: why?

I don't know what to tell you. Many people will live and die not knowing the truth. I shared the truth. You can do what you want with it.

[Icarus]

Greenblaze thank you for the information about yourself. I do respect you as a human being and I also respect that you are a firm believer.  Some time ago we had a contributing member who was also highly educated about Christianity.  She lives in a country that would have her drawn and quartered should she practiced her faith openly. She had our profound respect and admiration.

I and some of my HAF peers have been persuaded, in part, by credentialed writers like Hector Avalos, professor of theology at Iowa State university.  His book: The End Of Bible Study is persuasive.   

Another fascinating book is by a British researcher named Selina O'Grady.  It explores the history of religion as practiced as a political and economic expedient.  It is a book that is written outside the perspective of belief or non belief. The title: And Man Created God. A history of the world at the time of Jesus.   

[GreenBlaze]

Greenblaze thank you for the information about yourself. I do respect you as a human being and I also respect that you are a firm believer.  Some time ago we had a contributing member who was also highly educated about Christianity.  She lives in a country that would have her drawn and quartered should she practiced her faith openly. She had our profound respect and admiration.

I and some of my HAF peers have been persuaded, in part, by credentialed writers like Hector Avalos, professor of theology at Iowa State university.  His book: The End Of Bible Study is persuasive.   

Another fascinating book is by a British researcher named Selina O'Grady.  It explores the history of religion as practiced as a political and economic expedient.  It is a book that is written outside the perspective of belief or non belief. The title: And Man Created God. A history of the world at the time of Jesus.   

Icarus thank you
I looked at the book mentioned by Hector Ackwes and I think Christianity itself the New Testament works best with people who are Christians or who are decent minded people.  Jesus said that people should leave where they find too challenging and difficult. This can apply to difficult relationships as well. For an average Christian to treat a criminal who does not want to change who wants to harm others as a Christian may be difficult for some. Some Christians and not all, may struggle with putting the need for justice first and the idea of judging others falsely an intention or harming them. Justice first in situations of harm or illegal wars was the number one in the Old Testament for God..  We need to be sensible and look at Christianity again for some people who practice it and know we can be ready to deal with today's world. There was less crime it seems in the time of Christ..  We have terrorism to from unknown threats.  I rely on the law of the land to and use the police and my faith for my own personal life. I think that we need to. We may need more books to help us broach this with Christianity.

Jesus came to bring old laws to a logical conclusion and to not to break them. Jesus to promoted justice like sweeping sellers from the front of the Temple, but Christianity is known for being about love and forgiving others and helping mankind.. Me, I had a crime incident in February. I had to apply some knowledge of the Old Testament to fight this and with my Christian faith that it was ok to do this still and it was ok with Jesus to, it got me through, so speaking from experience. The faith still supports justice today I found out and well, I was helped in dealing with this offender with the faith by Jesus Christ's ministry. I found that Christ knows how to deal with today's world as he is the one who gave me my Holy Spirit gifts at 17 to try and protect me in today's world.

There are some ministers like Kemi Badenoch in the UK who believe not in the Christian faith but using Christian values to run society. Christianity has many good values and my country I live in is a Church of England country which seems based on Christian values. We have a free national health system for the sick which corresponds to Jesus need for us to care for each other and the sick. We also have a benefit system and this is again remnants of Christian values in society. The values of the Christian faith as it is provides the best values for any society to me. May be that is where we need to settle with Christian values in a society with our own beliefs. You cannot force a faith on anyone.

See these two articles
https://www.seenandunseen.com/gospel-according-kemi-badenoch?page=58
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/kemi-badenoch-reveals-how-she-lost-her-faith-in-god

[GreenBlaze]

Hi everyone, I was out about Hector Avalos by Icarus and I looked at their book on Amazon  and it was a bit too pricey for me. It was mentioned  in this thread that some Christians had adopted atheism because of the work of Hector and others convincing them otherwise. I summarised their arguments and looked around to see if anyone had put a counter argument. He was an interesting man, but not convincing for me at all.

It so happened that I had two similar posts that could counter argument to what he said. I argue that the faith the Bible still has value for modern life and how to protect people in the age of security, terrorism, fundamentalism and extremism and spiritual wickedness.

I thought that I would put my two posts here in case somewhere down in your life you may get a problem with security and protection and want to look into it more how you can protect yourself through the Bible with security for the modern day world. If anyone has any points from Hector's work they want a counter argument on if I have not answered it then do ask me if you feel like it.

https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/04/gifts-of-holy-spirit-and-protection.html
https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/08/ending-schemes-and-mind-games-of-those.html

In respect

[Recusant]

Hi everyone, I was out about Hector Avalos by Icarus and I looked at their book on Amazon  and it was a bit too pricey for me. It was mentioned  in this thread that some Christians had adopted atheism because of the work of Hector and others convincing them otherwise. I summarised their arguments and looked around to see if anyone had put a counter argument. He was an interesting man, but not convincing for me at all.

It so happened that I had two similar posts that could counter argument to what he said. I argue that the faith the Bible still has value for modern life and how to protect people in the age of security, terrorism, fundamentalism and extremism and spiritual wickedness.

I thought that I would put my two posts here in case somewhere down in your life you may get a problem with security and protection and want to look into it more how you can protect yourself through the Bible with security for the modern day world. If anyone has any points from Hector's work they want a counter argument on if I have not answered it then do ask me if you feel like it.

https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/04/gifts-of-holy-spirit-and-protection.html
https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/08/ending-schemes-and-mind-games-of-those.html

In respect

Joy to the atheists, gifted with humbug in this holiday season.   

[Dark Lightning]

The Earth's axial tilt is the reason for the season.

[Icarus]

Greenblaze, I sincerely wish you joy and happiness at this special time of year. 

 

[Dark Lightning]

Icarus, you are a nice guy. I'd like to wish you and the entirety of the HAF staff and members and visitors as well, a Happy Solstice.

[billy rubin]

merry christmas, to everybody

[Recusant]

Icarus, you are a nice guy. I'd like to wish you and the entirety of the HAF staff and members and visitors as well, a Happy Solstice.

Seconded on the first sentence and back at ya on the second.