Christian Nonduality

[Asmodean]

Are you saying that matter can be created by energy?
Give examples.

You could look at the creation of Higgs boson from gluon collision for an example. Gluons have "no" mass (Or, in the order of low MeV) but, if they carry enough energy, they can produce a Higgs boson, with the mass somewhere around 250-ish GeV. That's orders of magnitude more mass than what was started with, but overall, "the same*" energy.

*Sum total of energy remains the same - what is not expressed (for the lack of a more precise term off the topa' my head) as mass of the Higgs boson may in stead be expressed as other by-products of the collision. W-bosons and such-like, if memory serves.

It is a bit simplified for the purpose of exemplifying as requested, but the main takeaway here should be that fundamentally, what we think of as matter and what we think of as energy is all "packets" of energy, interacting in different ways.

[zorkan]

"What did god do before he did it?"
^^ That was sarcasm aimed toward all those hard shell Christians out there in the fantasy world.

Not sarcasm. I feel sure that god in the process of creating the multiverse eventually made our own universe.
The question remains, what was god doing before he started work on the multiverse?
Maybe he did a bit of gardening.

[zorkan]

You could look at the creation of Higgs boson from gluon collision for an example. Gluons have "no" mass (Or, in the order of low MeV) but, if they carry enough energy, they can produce a Higgs boson, with the mass somewhere around 250-ish GeV. That's orders of magnitude more mass than what was started with, but overall, "the same*" energy.

*Sum total of energy remains the same - what is not expressed (for the lack of a more precise term off the topa' my head) as mass of the Higgs boson may in stead be expressed as other by-products of the collision. W-bosons and such-like, if memory serves.

It is a bit simplified for the purpose of exemplifying as requested, but the main takeaway here should be that fundamentally, what we think of as matter and what we think of as energy is all "packets" of energy, interacting in different ways.

"The Higgs boson gets its mass just like other particles—from its own interactions with the Higgs field."

As the Higgs boson is the god particle maybe god is the Higgs field, which I understand we are immersed in, leading to the conclusion that god is everywhere.

[Asmodean]

"Reckless superlatives," I think Leonard Susskind called it.

You could call your hamster a God Particle. It wouldn't make it so, except in the most specific understanding.

[zorkan]

Not a hamster.
https://www.sciencealert.com/bizarre-true-story-physicists-once-put-a-ferret-in-a-particle-accelerator

It appears we are only here because of the Higgs boson.

The more we learn about the universe the less it makes sense.

Steven Weinberg said, "The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it also seems pointless".

[Asmodean]

The more we learn about the universe the less it makes sense.

Do you really think so?

Are there specific concepts that do not make sense to you? Some are counterintuitive, to be sure, but they largely do make sense.

[zorkan]

Like why does the universe exist?
Did it know we were coming?
Why does it decay?
Why the Higgs boson and not something else?

Why am I bored?

[Tank]

'Why' is the wrong question when it comes to reality as it implies intent. It's essentially a philosophical question which, while interesting, doesn't to my mind do much that muddy the waters of discussion.'How' is a more useful approach as it is open to a cause but not driven by a question.

[zorkan]

So I'll rewrite.

How does the universe exist?
Was it caused by a singularity or a quantum fluctuation?

How did it know we were coming?
Was it primed for life to evolve or is life just an accident?

How does it decay?
Is it in accordance with the 2nd law of thermodynamics or is it being swallowed up by a neighbouring universe?

How the Higgs boson and not something else?
If the Higgs field had not existed would the universe be empty of mass or would another field have made something else?

[Me_Be]

If reality is Nondual. Then, nothing is happening. And that would be the only thing that can be known about it.  Nothing is happening, happened, happens. Except to say, illusions are happening, happened, happen, and these illusions are known to appear to be real, even though the very principle of the word ''illusion'' implies unreal.

Quite an incredible mysterious thing, this real/unreal reality/ universe or whatever it is that conceptualises itself.

[Me_Be]

The founders of Christianity or any other religion have taken the concept ''God'' and woven it into it's fabric of belief, but they have merely created a fiction that believers have bought into and are trying to sell on to whoever is willing to buy it. While at the same time there is no one here in the market for this religious dogmatic doctrine, and that is the funniest thing I evverhoid. 

[Old Seer]

One could understand God is natural compelling force(s).

[Me_Be]

One could understand God is natural compelling force(s).

Acknowledgement is the key. Which is not the same as claimed knowledge.

In not-knowing, there is a surrendering to 'What Is', without doubt or error. It's this immediate acknowledgement of obvious natural compelling force(s).

A truth claim; one of personal Knowledge is experiential, it's entirely appearance, it's a subject/object, subjective/ objective illusion.

[Tank]

One could understand God is natural compelling force(s).

No. One can fantasize the existence of a myth. But there is no compelling argument or evidence for the existence of a supernatural realm.

[zorkan]

But there is no compelling argument or evidence for the existence of a supernatural realm.

Might one day be able to change the laws of physics with a super quantum computer.
Then go back in time.
Kirk: "Give it all you've got, Scotty".
Scotty:  "ye cannae change the laws of physics, captain".

But why not?