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Started by Dilj4Jesus, March 17, 2009, 05:43:04 AM

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Wendy

So...why did god create dinosaurs before people? Were dinosaurs a mistake?

curiosityandthecat

-Curio

Wendy

That was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!  :D

GreatScott

Quote from: "Wendy"So...why did god create dinosaurs before people? Were dinosaurs a mistake?

Well.. the Bible is more like a guidebook on how to know your creator and follow Him. So the fact that Genesis leaves out Dinosaurs or extinct species is fine by me, it would be pointless to include them anyhow. In my opinion, alien life, dinosaurs, and all this diversity of life in past and future fits God's personality well (In the Christian sense). He never seemed to do what people thought he should do, and always did what they didn't think He would. Plus since it is stated that he created everything natural, then it is apparent that God loves diversity. So the Old Testament carries with it many stories, but if you look deep into the layers of meaning you will find God's personality. It is important then that who I know God to be fits with what we know about the Universe. Dinosaurs passes the test, evolution does not (in my opinion of course). This being said, I'll sum it up like this: It's not about them being a mistake, but about a time and place for all things.

Sophus

QuoteWell.. the Bible is more like a guidebook on how to know your creator and follow Him. So the fact that Genesis leaves out Dinosaurs or extinct species is fine by me, it would be pointless to include them anyhow. In my opinion, alien life, dinosaurs, and all this diversity of life in past and future fits God's personality well (In the Christian sense). He never seemed to do what people thought he should do, and always did what they didn't think He would. Plus since it is stated that he created everything natural, then it is apparent that God loves diversity. So the Old Testament carries with it many stories, but if you look deep into the layers of meaning you will find God's personality. It is important then that who I know God to be fits with what we know about the Universe. Dinosaurs passes the test, evolution does not (in my opinion of course). This being said, I'll sum it up like this: It's not about them being a mistake, but about a time and place for all things.

That was funny.  roflol
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

Ihateyoumike

Quote from: "GreatScott"He never seemed to do what people thought he should do, and always did what they didn't think He would.



Rebel god has struck again!  :D
Prayers that need no answer now, cause I'm tired of who I am
You were my greatest mistake, I fell in love with your sin
Your littlest sin.

Kodanshi

So is that why the allâ€"merciful and always good god massacred loads of people? To prove to everyone that god had free will?
[size=85]“I've been planning to end at 1 hp for years now.”[/size]

Lilbeth

Quote from: "GreatScott"
Quote from: "Wendy"So...why did god create dinosaurs before people? Were dinosaurs a mistake?

Well.. the Bible is more like a guidebook on how to know your creator and follow Him. So the fact that Genesis leaves out Dinosaurs or extinct species is fine by me, it would be pointless to include them anyhow. In my opinion, alien life, dinosaurs, and all this diversity of life in past and future fits God's personality well (In the Christian sense). He never seemed to do what people thought he should do, and always did what they didn't think He would. Plus since it is stated that he created everything natural, then it is apparent that God loves diversity. So the Old Testament carries with it many stories, but if you look deep into the layers of meaning you will find God's personality. It is important then that who I know God to be fits with what we know about the Universe. Dinosaurs passes the test, evolution does not (in my opinion of course). This being said, I'll sum it up like this: It's not about them being a mistake, but about a time and place for all things.


WOW!  :shock:  Now, I think you really believe this...Power to you!....but to me, it is kind of funny and it made me laugh. I'm sorry.....

G.ENIGMA

Quote from: "Lilbeth"
Quote from: "GreatScott"
Quote from: "Wendy"Well.. the Bible is more like a guidebook on how to know your creator and follow Him.


WOW!  :shock:  Now, I think you really believe this...Power to you!....but to me, it is kind of funny and it made me laugh. I'm sorry.....

It made me laugh too Lilbeth ... The bible is more like a J.K Rowlings novel than an insight into how a omnipotent God would do things
To those who are overly cautious, everything seems impossible.

Ihateyoumike

Quote from: "Lilbeth"WOW! roflol as well
Prayers that need no answer now, cause I'm tired of who I am
You were my greatest mistake, I fell in love with your sin
Your littlest sin.

Godschild

Why is it that people believe God has free will? I do not believe He does and do not know of a passage in the Bible that states that He has free will.God is omniscient but this does not imply He has free will.God is limited by who He is.God is love God is just He is forgiving and so forth and on and so these things limit Him from interfering in our freewill.God has given us the freedom to choose the paths we desire to take in our life and when these choices bring bad things into our lives God honors our free will by not interfering to some this seems to be considered cruel.The real cruelty would be to control us as if we were His puppets.God honors our choices when it comes to choosing our eternal destiny,we predetermine our eternal life not God and He honors our choice.He will not force us to spend eternity with Him if that's what we desire.

Love to all in Christ Jesus

curiosityandthecat

Quote from: "Godschild"Why is it that people believe God has free will? I do not believe He does and do not know of a passage in the Bible that states that He has free will.God is omniscient but this does not imply He has free will.God is limited by who He is.God is love God is just He is forgiving and so forth and on and so these things limit Him from interfering in our freewill.God has given us the freedom to choose the paths we desire to take in our life and when these choices bring bad things into our lives God honors our free will by not interfering to some this seems to be considered cruel.The real cruelty would be to control us as if we were His puppets.God honors our choices when it comes to choosing our eternal destiny,we predetermine our eternal life not God and He honors our choice.He will not force us to spend eternity with Him if that's what we desire.

Love to all in Christ Jesus
Fail.

If God actually has the attributes of "God" then God will not be limited. By anything. Period.

Can God hate? Can God destroy itself? Why does God supposedly punish the people who don't desire to spend eternity with it? Does God give extra rewards to the people hurt by the bad ones it lets have free will? Does that mean Heaven is more of a paradise for some people than others, or do the ones who had to suffer extra during life get the same package as those who lived in luxury?

Srsly, did you actually think about what you typed before you hit Submit?
-Curio

Kylyssa

Quote from: "Godschild"God is love God is just He is forgiving and so forth and on and so these things limit Him from interfering in our freewill.

ROFLMAO!!!

It's an interesting definition of love you've got there.  The love I've known has been nurturing and protective, dead set on achieving the best for the beloved ones.  The love I've known has not hated the object of its love.  The love I've known is not controlling or coercive.  The love I've known has accepted the equality of those beloved with those that love.  The love I've known has been counter to allowing suffering, it fights it tooth and nail.

Desiring to be worshiped is not love.  Desiring to control and command is not love.  Letting people suffer horribly is not love.  Hating is not love.  Being above all others is not love.  

Love is humble, love is nurturing, love is kind, love makes no demands - that is the love I know.

Man-ofGod

#28
Quote from: "Kodanshi"I come from a muslim background, so I’d like to know what convinced you of the truth of Christianity over, say, Islâm? Did you grow up as a part of a Christian family by any chance? Did you have a personal experience of Yeshua‘?

The Quran was written by 1 person hundreds of years after the biblical text.  The similarities between the Quran and scripture is identical in some parts, and flawed in many parts.

The reason for believing the Bible is its perfection.

List of things I believe testify to the Bible's perfection,

QuoteThe uniformity - despite 66 books being written by 40 different authors in a vast time span, the Bible is incredibly uniform.
Historical accuracy (not even an argument btw w/ secular scholars) watch the history channel lately?
Scientifically accurate (not even talking creation here, just normal facts that weren't known in that time.)
Prophecy fulfillment (but the willfully ignorant will just look past this)
Health ethics - The health ethics in the Bible are flawless. Another testimony to the truth of the Bible.
Moral ethics - again, perfection and the reason most people rather not believe in the Bible IMO
Not patronizing - the Bible does not try to win you with concessions, its either all or none w/ the Bible
The contents - the Bible is written just like an encyclopedia, just reporting the facts.

Man-ofGod

QuoteMost of the people on this forum, including me, used to be Christians so I don't think we need to "understand" why you are a Christian. We've been there, done that, so we know what it's like. Thanks, but I don't think I need any help.
I know exactly what you mean.  I thought I been their done that when I was a Catholic turned atheist.  I just didn't have any of the truth or misconstrued versions of it. Once I learned the truth, praise the lord my mind was still open enough to consider it again.  

As for the question, I have one just for you!

QuoteGod is an almighty being. He is perfect in every way and his creations are perfect. After decades of researching and studying evolutionary processes, we've seen some species evolving and adapting in our lifetime. If God created everything so perfectly by his own free will, why do such species need to evolve? From a biological standpoint, evolution occurs because they help species to adapt to the environment better so they can have a higher chance to survive to reproduce. So seeing as how some species have evolved over time, why did God create them imperfectly to allow them to go through evolution? Why didn't he just make them perfect to begin with?

When you say evolve, I assume you mean adaptation or mutation.  

God made all things perfect, and then after sin, all things began to perish and sin became greater and greater.

QuoteGE 3:17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:
      “ Cursed is the ground for your sake;
      In toil you shall eat of it
      All the days of your life.

For our sake God cursed the ground. To help keep us from sin.  Idleness is the worse thing for man as the most sin comes from those who are idle and lazy.  This also as you might imagine lead to adaptation amongst the animals to cope with the new conditions, especially after the flood.  But we started perfect, and then sin just made things worse and worse.  Global warming, wars, greed, etc..