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Atheists, come on, really, stop and think for a minute..

Started by Psalm23, March 04, 2009, 02:32:41 PM

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Hitsumei

Despite not think that atheism, in the strong sense of affirming the falsehood of theism, is rationally or evidentially justified -- as theism cannot actually be refuted -- I think that Sam Harris gave the best rebuttal to this criticism. He said: "Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma." Which I think sums up his position that it is of practical importance to take a contrary position to religion when it is used to justify questionable political and social policies.

It is an interesting stance to take.
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." ~Timothy Leary
"Marriage is for women the commonest mode of livelihood, and the total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution." ~Bertrand Russell
"[Feminism is] a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their

Psalm23

Quote from: "Lilbeth"Well, you just lost any iota of anything from me.....O'Reilly....You bring him up?....What an asshole and does embody much I hate in this country..... He makes me ashamed of the Irish that is in me....I get your type now. Don't want it around me....Thanx.
O'Reilly would frickin crush you on his show. Email him and tell him you would like to debate the existence of God with him live on his show. he already made Dawkins look like a pansy.

How dare anyone write a book calling my God a delusion, but he cannot fully disprove him. blah! what a waste of money that book must be. sorry.
"Wash me clean, set me free, hold me closer, cover me" - David Crowder - My Hope

Psalm23

Quote from: "Hitsumei"Despite not think that atheism, in the strong sense of affirming the falsehood of theism, is rationally or evidentially justified -- as theism cannot actually be refuted -- I think that Sam Harris gave the best rebuttal to this criticism. He said: "Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma." Which I think sums up his position that it is of practical importance to take a contrary position to religion when it is used to justify questionable political and social policies.

It is an interesting stance to take.
atheism wants to live the life of sin and no one to answer to. they discard all holy laws and want nothing to do with God unless it's bashing his name on the internet, or calling his book an error.. that's when atheists are most happy.

The sick thing is.. I'm a Christian, and I would lend you my last 2 bucks. meanwhile you backstab by religion. tsk tsk!
"Wash me clean, set me free, hold me closer, cover me" - David Crowder - My Hope

Ihateyoumike

Quote from: "Psalm23"Let me stop you right there. I can prove atheists hate God. During the Christmas Holiday in 2008. An atheist decided to display a HUGE poster next to a Nativity Scene in the Congress building that reads;

"There is no God, there are no Angels in Heaven, and there will be no Zombie coming back to life to save you in the end, move on with your ancient lives!!"

You don't call that hatred and hostility? I call that totally obscene and ignorant.

Let me stop you right there. I can prove christians hate fags. During the funerals of U.S. Military personnel, a group of christians have decided to have a HUGE display of people (including small children) holding signs with such colorful slogans as "god hates fags!"

You don't call that hatred and hostility? I call that totally obscene and ignorant.

And, I call you the same.
Prayers that need no answer now, cause I'm tired of who I am
You were my greatest mistake, I fell in love with your sin
Your littlest sin.

Hitsumei

Quote from: "Psalm23"atheism wants to live the life of sin and no one to answer to. they discard all holy laws and want nothing to do with God unless it's bashing his name on the internet, or calling his book an error.. that's when atheists are most happy.

The sick thing is.. I'm a Christian, and I would lend you my last 2 bucks. meanwhile you backstab by religion. tsk tsk!

Well, I'm not an atheist, but I have a feeling that you would still have no qualms with telling me that me and my wife are living in sin, will be judged as dirty perverts someday, and thrown into everlasting torture. If this happens, then so be it, I'll go with no regrets.

I don't hate religion, or even think that it is bad. Nor would I ever deface some religious scene, or wear purposely inflammatory slogans, or disrupt a religious gathering. I do wish that this favor would be returned to me, but even though it is not, I will continue to behave in this way.
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." ~Timothy Leary
"Marriage is for women the commonest mode of livelihood, and the total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution." ~Bertrand Russell
"[Feminism is] a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their

PipeBox

Quote from: "Psalm23"
Quote from: "Hitsumei"Despite not think that atheism, in the strong sense of affirming the falsehood of theism, is rationally or evidentially justified -- as theism cannot actually be refuted -- I think that Sam Harris gave the best rebuttal to this criticism. He said: "Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma." Which I think sums up his position that it is of practical importance to take a contrary position to religion when it is used to justify questionable political and social policies.

It is an interesting stance to take.
atheism wants to live the life of sin and no one to answer to. they discard all holy laws and want nothing to do with God unless it's bashing his name on the internet, or calling his book an error.. that's when atheists are most happy.

The sick thing is.. I'm a Christian, and I would lend you my last 2 bucks. meanwhile you backstab by religion. tsk tsk!

You would lend us your last two bucks and see our freedom of speech razed.  You come here and state blatant falsehoods, even after they have been debunked for the benefit of your understanding.  Every atheist is accountable to society, and many I daresay live more like Christ than your Christians.  We help people out of compassion, not to score brownie points with God.  We don't even need to know God wills it.  We aren't proud enough to think a creator of the cosmos has any want of a personal relationship with us.  What of your "holy laws" we do uphold, we do because we find them genuinely meritorious, not because we believe they ought to be without further thought.

You would lend me your last two dollars only because it is two dollars.  Give away all that you own in my sight and we'll talk about your supernatural Christian philanthropy.

You won't be happy here.  When you leave from this forum, we will not follow.  Get out.
If sin may be committed through inaction, God never stopped.

My soul, do not seek eternal life, but exhaust the realm of the possible.
-- Pindar

Lilbeth

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Quote from: "Psalm23"
Quote from: "Lilbeth"Well, you just lost any iota of anything from me.....O'Reilly....You bring him up?....What an asshole and does embody much I hate in this country..... He makes me ashamed of the Irish that is in me....I get your type now. Don't want it around me....Thanx.
O'Reilly would frickin crush you on his show. Email him and tell him you would like to debate the existence of God with him live on his show. he already made Dawkins look like a pansy.

How dare anyone write a book calling my God a delusion, but he cannot fully disprove him. blah! what a waste of money that book must be. sorry.


Dawkins, obviously, wasn't debating him with smart assism......I do wonder why Dawkins agreed to be on that show, though..... :hmm:  I guess for the same reason we still all discuss with you....No, I cannot prove the lack of a god....nor can I prove the lack of the ghost, my neighbor said visited her, the other day.....or the fact that faeries do not exist, even though I know someone who thinks they do.....really....DUH! I would not want to be in the same room with O'Reilly, let alone debate him about anything. Thank you....but no thanks.......
So death is the beginning for you? What are you waiting for then? Not being mean to you....just a question I wonder about....since so many religous people think it is going to be so much better after death.....and why cry if someone dies....aren't they going to a better place....shouldn't ones left behind rejoice? I am done with you, though......I agree with someone else's statement....just go away.....I had some kernal of respect for you before taking this all on here....but not any more.

Sophus

QuoteIt's not atheism I hate, it's the followers that try to teach the world, "there is no God" when they don't know for sure themselves.. sheesh.. talk about the blind leading the blind!!

Wowzah, I never said I hated you. Love can't co-exist with hate, so your friend Jebus ain't doin' too great of a job with you.

I know a person that gets on everybodys' nerves, everybodys' nerves, everybodys' nerves.......  seriously, you're a troll right?
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

McQ

Quote from: "Sophus"
QuoteIt's not atheism I hate, it's the followers that try to teach the world, "there is no God" when they don't know for sure themselves.. sheesh.. talk about the blind leading the blind!!

Wowzah, I never said I hated you. Love can't co-exist with hate, so your friend Jebus ain't doin' too great of a job with you.

I know a person that gets on everybodys' nerves, everybodys' nerves, everybodys' nerves.......  seriously, you're a troll right?

Of course he's no troll. He's debated with "thousands" of atheists around the globe.  :raised:

Can't you tell by the stunning arguments?
Elvis didn't do no drugs!
--Penn Jillette

Sophus

Quote from: "McQ"
Quote from: "Sophus"
QuoteIt's not atheism I hate, it's the followers that try to teach the world, "there is no God" when they don't know for sure themselves.. sheesh.. talk about the blind leading the blind!!

Wowzah, I never said I hated you. Love can't co-exist with hate, so your friend Jebus ain't doin' too great of a job with you.

I know a person that gets on everybodys' nerves, everybodys' nerves, everybodys' nerves.......  seriously, you're a troll right?

Of course he's no troll. He's debated with "thousands" of atheists around the globe.  :blush:

At any rate, I suppose once Psalm becomes a bore we'll actually apply Curio's "How to Treat a Troll" rules? Ha ha.
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

PipeBox

I do feel guilty for feeding the troll, but he's fairly convincing.  Pretty good Poe's Law.
If sin may be committed through inaction, God never stopped.

My soul, do not seek eternal life, but exhaust the realm of the possible.
-- Pindar

Kylyssa


Tanker

I always find it funny when fundies come here fully expexting that they will "save our souls" and make reasonable arguments. Then when they fail misrable becase they find we aren't as gulible, and they really don't know atheists at all so have no way to debate effective with us the allways fall back on anger, ignorance, and martrdom ie;

Quote from: "Psalm23"atheism wants to live the life of sin and no one to answer to. they discard all holy laws and want nothing to do with God unless it's bashing his name on the internet, or calling his book an error.. that's when atheists are most happy.

The sick thing is.. I'm a Christian, and I would lend you my last 2 bucks. meanwhile you backstab by religion. tsk tsk!

Poor little martr we feel so bad for you and your self rightiousness and obvious persecution. If I was you I'd take may ball and go home. But seriously GO HOME.
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I've been in fox holes, I'm still an atheist -Me-

God is a cake, and we all know what the cake is.

(my spelling, grammer, and punctuation suck, I know, but regardless of how much I read they haven't improved much since grade school. It's actually a bit of a family joke.

Tom62

Jesus said in the NT "Love thy enemy" and all Christians truly believe that God + Jesus = Love. Reading the posts of Psalm23, I can only sense a lot of anger, hate and bigotry; not love. It Jesus taught his followers love and Psalm23 brings us hate instead, then the only logical conclusion is that Psalm23 is not a real Christian, but a follower of the Antichrist or Satan ;) .
The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract.
Robert A. Heinlein

Kodanshi

Quote from: "Psalm23"O'Reilly would frickin crush you on his show. Email him and tell him you would like to debate the existence of God with him live on his show. he already made Dawkins look like a pansy.

How dare anyone write a book calling my God a delusion, but he cannot fully disprove him. blah! what a waste of money that book must be. sorry.
Link please, because Dawkins said he doesn’t give religious nutcases legitimacy by debating with them, so I can’t imagine him doing a live debate on religion with anyone.

And ‘your’ god? Bit possessive, what?

EDIT: Watched it on youtube. Do you mean this interview? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FARDDcdFaQ&fmt=18

Are we seriously watching the same thing there? O’Reilly made him look like a pansy? I don’t think so! Once Dawkins got into his flow O’Reilly repeatedly interrupted him, talking over him, gave ridiculous ‘arguments’, and when faced with a question he couldn’t answer simply made a joke of it! What a schmuck that O’Reilly is. I’d debate him live for a tenner.
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