Atheists, come on, really, stop and think for a minute..

[curiosityandthecat]

America is "One Nation under God," and America believes in the motto, "In God We Trust." There are roughly 225 million Christians in America. We are the majority. Like I have said previously.. Would you visit Iran or Pakistan and tell them to STOP saying, "One nation under Allah?" I highly doubt you would say anything about it. They would cut off your head!

America became "One Nation under God" in the 50s when people were scared of Communism and altered the pledge of allegiance. It was a reaction to fear (unjustified fear, at that).

Have you ever heard the term "tyranny of the majority"? You need to get over that whole there-are-more-of-us-so-it's-our-country shtick. The entire premise of this country, the notion the whole thing is based on, is e pluribus unum: out of many, one.

America is not an Islamic nation. We are not supposed to have "One nation under Allah" on American currency! I think the U.S Congress and Senate are planning on placing "In Christ we Trust" on American currency.. atheists will really flip out then!!

I"m assuming you're referencing this website, and I can find no other legitimate suggestions (granted, through a quick Google search, but still) that this is true. It's one of those Soldiers for Christ kind of sites that is deeply, deeply disturbing.

Secondly, I'm sure you celebrate Christmas and Easter, too, right? Two holidays that are deep in religious tradition, but atheists claim they can celebrate them, too! lol. Atheists want nothing to do with religion,, only when it comes to receiving gifts and money. Christmas means, "Mass for Christ."

Two holidays that were basically stolen and converted from older Pagan religions. Do your research.

Richard Dawkins wrote a book called; "The God Delusion," but he goes on the O'Reilly Factor on the FOX News channel and Mr. Dawkins openly admitted to Bill O'Reilly that he could NOT prove Jesus Christ wasn't God. So, in reality who is deluded? Of course it's easy to claim a belief is a delusion, but proving it would be a huge benefit.. but Dawkins cannot provide a single shred of evidence.

Richard Dawkins is just another clueless robot working under the wings of Satan.

Who would have thought 3,000 years that in 2009 atheism would be preaching against God, rather than simply just NOT beleiving?

I'm an atheist when it comes to gods like Thor, Allah, Zeus, Mithras, but you don't see me joining their websites and talking about their gods.

I guess I'm the only true atheist in here.  :| Ugh, give me strength.

[Psalm23]

America became "One Nation under God" in the 50s when people were scared of Communism and altered the pledge of allegiance. It was a reaction to fear (unjustified fear, at that).

America will always be "One nation under God." No atheist or skeptic will ever change that. They have tried, but failed miserably. I cannot imagine an atheist challenging a panel of Federal and Supreme Court Judges who are primarily Christian/Catholic. Remember that one atheist from California who tried to have that Federal Judge remove the 10 Commandments from his Courtroom? lol!!  :| Ugh, give me strength.[/quote] Yes, anyone who supports placing advertisements on buses that read, 'God is imaginary, enjoy your life!!!" are working for Satan. It's funny, I don't see a "Thor is imaginary, enjoy your life!" or how about "Mithra is imaginary, move on with your life?"

And by the way.. Bill O'Reilly made Richard Dawkins look like a complete and utter nut-bag! Trust me, I know Bill O'Reilly, and he would not invite a guest if he knows he cannot win! I loved the look on Dawkins' face when O'Reilly said, "You cannot prove to me Jesus Christ wasn't God, can you?" Dawkins' reply was short and sweet.. 'No I can't."

Enough said..

I think someone would have to have 100% solid concrete evidence before they would write a book entitled, "God is a delusion".

I would listen to someone like Dawkins if he said, "Yes I have proof God is a delusion, and I'll explain..."

but he doesn't do that.. he openly admitted to O'Reilly that he cannot disprove God. lol. So much for the delusion part.

[curiosityandthecat]

You know, I just typed a page-long response in rebuttal to your tunnel vision of a worldview, but then I deleted it. Because it's pointless.

It's obvious who has the delusion.

[Psalm23]

It's the truth to you, doesn't make it fact.

Wendy, Christianity has been proven throughout the ages.

I really don't understand what you mean here. I don't really see what 'fail' or 'succeed' has to do with atheism?

Atheism means "The denial of God or gods". My point is short and sweet.. no one can fully deny God without knowing for sure.

Once again, no human being can say, "There is a god" without having 100% proof. Your gut is not proof.

I have love and compassion for God. I can feel the Love that radiates from God. That is my proof! Do imaginary beings spread love and compassion?

As far as I know, I have the freedom, just as you do, to go online, meet people like me and discuss the issues of my day. If you had looked around you can see this website is much more than just talking about atheism. I've only been a member for a few days, but the only time this discussion has come up is when a christian has come in seemingly trying to convince the members they are wrong.  I'm not protesting anything--you are the one here protesting.

I agree with you!! You have the Freedom to express your feelings and thoughts towards religion, but when atheists narrow down their anger and hostility towards one certain religion. I cannot help to think that these individuals are just disgruntled and angry.

If I believed in something, I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online trying to convince people who didn't. You don't know what I do, or how much time I spend online or how much time I spend talking about the nonexistence of a god. (However, by quoting me, you forced my hand to talk about it this time.)

No, but you disbelieve in something, and you come here and try to confuse and question weak Christians that don't know the "head game" many atheists like to play. That doesn't work with me. If an atheist links me to "skeptics annotated bible.." I just lead them to the website "the response to skeptics annotate bible." Remember Wendy, to every error there is an answer. Atheist based websites expose the errors, but they never post the answers. Why is that?

Read what you are typing! I didn't go to any website that discusses religion and tell them god doesn't exist. YOU came to an ATHEIST website. The sad thing is, you aren't even paying attention.

This is a classic example of the Pot calling the Kettle black!! You are an atheist that enjoys clicking the "Religion" tab in an atheist website! I thought atheists wanted religious-free lives? but yet, they want to discuss it on a 24 hour schedule? Something isn't making sense!!

I don't believe this is true. I have a gut feeling you are not being truthful here. I'm certainly not over the edge and this is the most I've talked about god for a long time.

My research has proved you wrong. Every atheist website, forum, bulletin board, chat room I've ever encountered has a "Religion" or "Christianity" section.

Eh...good luck?

I will send you an autographed copy if you wish?

You claim to know the definition of an atheist, but clearly you haven't read or are choosing to ignore what the others in this group have told you in their posts.

No! It's you atheists that leads me to believe atheists despise Christianity!

You chose my little post, just to show you are still here and still fighting, without having to come up with anything besides a gut feeling as a response.

I wouldn't call it "fighting," but I'm here debating.. and trying to understand why the average atheist has such a burning hatred for God.

[Sophus]

No! It's you atheists that leads me to believe atheists despise Christianity!

I like your Christ. It's your Christians I'm not crazy about.

[Hitsumei]

You know, I just typed a page-long response in rebuttal to your tunnel vision of a worldview, but then I deleted it. Because it's pointless.

I really think that is best. Some times people are just too emotionally invested to be amenable to reason or evidence.

[curiosityandthecat]

I wouldn't call it "fighting," but I'm here debating.. and trying to understand why the average atheist has such a burning hatred for God.

This, I will address.

A common misconception about atheists. Atheists don't have any sort of "hatred for God" any more than we have a "hatred" for Darth Vader. We think he's a shitty, rather two-dimensional fictional character who has, unfortunately, become the justification for many, many terrible things (and, to be fair, not a few charitable and good things, too).

Maybe instead of arguing with atheists (this is not a debate, I assure you; it's an argument that you're perpetuating) you should just listen to them. Really hear what they're saying, instead of spending that time just thinking about what you're going to say next.

I really think that is best. Some times people are just too emotionally invested to be amenable to reason or evidence.

Yeah, we get that. A lot. A lot a lot. Like, a lot lot lot.

[Squid]

Even if it was.. atheists should NOT celebrate any religious festivals. Even if these same atheists claim "Christmas was stolen by ancient Pagan rituals."

I find this line of argumentation fallacious in the sense that you have narrowed this an aspect of human behavior down to one item - affiliation of celebrations.  This assumes that atheists who lack belief in god(s) (as opposed to your silly repeated claim of 'denial' which implies substantiation of existence of deities) should not participate in a celebration affiliated with past or present any sort of religion what so ever because to do so would be and affirmation that the lack of belief is incorrect.  This is, in all honesty, stupid.

Why do most atheists carry on with celebrations during holidays such as Xmas?  The same reason most other people do - religious or not:

* People like time off from work and spending it with friends and family
* People like to eat and celebrate no matter the supposed foundation of the holiday
* People like to get gifts and give gifts to loved ones

Do Christians celebrate Halloween because they are affirming that their views are wrong and that they assuredly must see how ancient pagan religions are actually true? No.  People like to dress up, party and kids love to get free candy.  The same with all these other holidays which may have a basis in one way or another to religion of some sort but that has become a by-line in the modern world especially in Western society.  This is what Xmas has become for many people:



Your argument would mean that because I listen to Stryper occasionally that I am undermining my lack of belief (I think we probably must also explain the difference between agnostic and gnostic atheism to you) and basically "admitting" my position is wrong.  No, I just happen to like their music.  You can't take something as complex as human behavior as it pertains to interaction with society and reduce it down to these odd criteria you've proposed for how people "should" behave or what they "should" and "shouldn't" celebrate - you've thrown out all details in favor of your narrowed view and this is the antithesis of productive thinking.

[Lilbeth]

Well, you just lost any iota of anything from me.....O'Reilly....You bring him up?....What an asshole and does embody much I hate in this country..... He makes me ashamed of the Irish that is in me....I get your type now. Don't want it around me....Thanx.

[Wendy]

It's the truth to you, doesn't make it fact.

Wendy, Christianity has been proven throughout the ages.

I really don't understand what you mean here. I don't really see what 'fail' or 'succeed' has to do with atheism?

Atheism means "The denial of God or gods". My point is short and sweet.. no one can fully deny God without knowing for sure.

Once again, no human being can say, "There is a god" without having 100% proof. Your gut is not proof.

I have love and compassion for God. I can feel the Love that radiates from God. That is my proof! Do imaginary beings spread love and compassion?

As far as I know, I have the freedom, just as you do, to go online, meet people like me and discuss the issues of my day. If you had looked around you can see this website is much more than just talking about atheism. I've only been a member for a few days, but the only time this discussion has come up is when a christian has come in seemingly trying to convince the members they are wrong.  I'm not protesting anything--you are the one here protesting.

I agree with you!! You have the Freedom to express your feelings and thoughts towards religion, but when atheists narrow down their anger and hostility towards one certain religion. I cannot help to think that these individuals are just disgruntled and angry.

If I believed in something, I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online trying to convince people who didn't. You don't know what I do, or how much time I spend online or how much time I spend talking about the nonexistence of a god. (However, by quoting me, you forced my hand to talk about it this time.)

No, but you disbelieve in something, and you come here and try to confuse and question weak Christians that don't know the "head game" many atheists like to play. That doesn't work with me. If an atheist links me to "skeptics annotated bible.." I just lead them to the website "the response to skeptics annotate bible." Remember Wendy, to every error there is an answer. Atheist based websites expose the errors, but they never post the answers. Why is that?

Read what you are typing! I didn't go to any website that discusses religion and tell them god doesn't exist. YOU came to an ATHEIST website. The sad thing is, you aren't even paying attention.

This is a classic example of the Pot calling the Kettle black!! You are an atheist that enjoys clicking the "Religion" tab in an atheist website! I thought atheists wanted religious-free lives? but yet, they want to discuss it on a 24 hour schedule? Something isn't making sense!!

I don't believe this is true. I have a gut feeling you are not being truthful here. I'm certainly not over the edge and this is the most I've talked about god for a long time.

My research has proved you wrong. Every atheist website, forum, bulletin board, chat room I've ever encountered has a "Religion" or "Christianity" section.

Eh...good luck?

I will send you an autographed copy if you wish?

You claim to know the definition of an atheist, but clearly you haven't read or are choosing to ignore what the others in this group have told you in their posts.

No! It's you atheists that leads me to believe atheists despise Christianity!

You chose my little post, just to show you are still here and still fighting, without having to come up with anything besides a gut feeling as a response.

I wouldn't call it "fighting," but I'm here debating.. and trying to understand why the average atheist has such a burning hatred for God.

I see where you are coming from.  

[PipeBox]

Yup, I think we all see where Psalm is coming from.

[SSY]

A common misconception about atheists. Atheists don't have any sort of "hatred for God" any more than we have a "hatred" for Darth Vader. We think he's a shitty, rather two-dimensional fictional character who has, unfortunately, become the justification for many, many terrible things (and, to be fair, not a few charitable and good things, too)
.

How dare you, Darth Vader was a master-piece of 20th century cinematography! Where I'm from, unbelievers like you are burn't at the stake!  

More on topic though, arguing in this thread is like wading through treacle, it takes ages to get anywhere and you feel dirty after.

[Psalm23]

A common misconception about atheists. Atheists don't have any sort of "hatred for God"

Let me stop you right there. I can prove atheists hate God. During the Christmas Holiday in 2008. An atheist decided to display a HUGE poster next to a Nativity Scene in the Congress building that reads;

"There is no God, there are no Angels in Heaven, and there will be no Zombie coming back to life to save you in the end, move on with your ancient lives!!"

You don't call that hatred and hostility? I call that totally obscene and ignorant.

Gee, I wonder why stuff like this doesn't exist in the Islamic Republic? Geez, are atheists afraid to die for what they don't believe in?

Are atheists afraid to die for atheism?

I'm curious why atheists only express their opinions where the law protects them? Atheists are real quick to march to Washington, DC, but do you see atheists forming a protest against Islam for what happened on 9-11? Or do atheists only concentrate on the Christian Crusades that took place 1,200 years ago? I wonder why Richard Dawkins hasn't flown into Iran yet and tell them 'Allah is a delusion, move on with your life!" I guess he only promotes his book where the law protects him. I guess he is not that concerned about teaching the Islamic Radicals that their god is a delusion.  

The world knows Satan is a coward, and Dawkins is living proof!

What are you so afraid of?

Through a Christian eye, death is the beginning of life..

[Psalm23]

No! It's you atheists that leads me to believe atheists despise Christianity!

I like your Christ. It's your Christians I'm not crazy about.

It's not atheism I hate, it's the followers that try to teach the world, "there is no God" when they don't know for sure themselves.. sheesh.. talk about the blind leading the blind!!

[Psalm23]

I see where you are coming from.  

Wendy, I have debated with literally thousands of atheists and skeptics all across the Globe, and they all told me "I don't believe in God," but it's ironic because some where throughout the debate.. they would call God every thing but a white man. Now how can you say I don't believe in God but then turn around and slander his name 5 minutes later?

Satan that is described in the Holy Bible is not a joke, nor imaginary! He is real, and it's living proof that he has a choke hold on people (like those atheists) I have described above.

The Bible says "Satan will send the world a message in the end of days." I believe atheism is that message. Atheism is on the rise.. and the bible said this will happen in II Peter. "skeptics and scoffers of the bible shall increase right before the end of time." Its living proof that atheism is dominating as we speak. Jesus saith, "watch for these signs!"