Atheists, come on, really, stop and think for a minute..

[Psalm23]

Did you make this up or do you have a link to share with us? Anyway, if Jesus was real, it's possible he was a homosexual. I mean there's no evidence to suggest he wasn't homosexual.

Are you really defending that if it is true? He said "faggot" which is a derogatory slang towards homosexuals. If that really was what it says, then they are clearly attempting to insult Christians by recklessly using homosexuality as a vehicle with zero regard for collateral damage. Everything about that is crass.  

Ah, but it turns out Stalin probably wasn't actually an atheist. He was likely a deist. Historian Simon Sebag Montefiore established that Stalin believed in god.

That is a controversial subject, and if it were "established" then it would not be controversial within the field of history, but it is.

What it is, is irrelevant, and an association fallacy.

Sorry about that. I should have posted the link along with my story. Click this link, and you can see the pictures of atheists wearing "jesus is a cu*t" jackets and t-shirts. This is the same behavior that goes on in a 3rd grade classroom. http://www.flamewarrior.com/gamow.htm

There is sure alot of hatred towards someone they don't believe in.

I'm starting to think that atheism may be a mental disorder?

Maybe I should attend a Peter Pan convention wearing a shirt "Peter Pan is a homo?"
Do you see the idiocy now?

[Hitsumei]

Atheists feel they have the Freedom to say what they want about Christianity, but if the Christians try to speak, the atheists will cry out, "Seperation of Church and State!!!"

It's a double-edged sword, folks.

You can't have it both ways!

That doesn't make sense. Separation of church and state prevents religions from imposing their will via the state, through religious justifications on the non-religious, or minority religions.

It doesn't stop the religious from having any less freedom of speech, or any less rights at all. It merely prevents them from enforcing their will without rational or evidential secular justification.

What you are saying is tantamount to claiming persecution because you are being prevented from being able to persecute.

[Hitsumei]

Sorry about that. I should have posted the link along with my story. Click this link, and you can see the pictures of atheists wearing "jesus is a cu*t" jackets and t-shirts. This is the same behavior that goes on in a 3rd grade classroom. http://www.flamewarrior.com/gamow.htm

There is sure alot of hatred towards someone they don't believe in.

I'm starting to think that atheism may be a mental disorder?

Maybe I should attend a Peter Pan convention wearing a shirt "Peter Pan is a homo?"
Do you see the idiocy now?

I must say that I find it particularly warped to mandate murder and violence in retribution for insult, and saying "homo" and "faggot" without a second thought, but for some reason are unwilling to fully spell out the word "cunt" as if it is somehow worse than the other things that you have said. I think that it is several degrees less inflammatory, and holds far less pejorative vigor. Anyway, I digress.  

There is no cognitive dissonance in saying that Captain Hook was a dick. We make character assessments of fictional characters all the time. It doesn't in the slightest imply that one thinks they are real.

[VanReal]

To all atheists who claim "Hitler was a Christian." Can you supply the verses from Jesus Christ that says it's totally acceptable to slaughter the Jews?

Since when do christians abide by the verses in the bible, you pick and choose which to follow at will....and wait were they from Jesus or third party hearsay?  So please, arguing for the bible is the worst argument because chrsitians pick the rosey parts about love and the afterlife and ignore the parts about eating their own children, beating their slaves, and killing themselves after masturbating on the floor before sleeping with their sister-in-law as ordered by god.  When you start following what you consider your word I may listen, but the way christians say "it's the word of god" while simultaneously saying, "it's not meant to be taken literally" is utterly annoying.  Why would you follow something that was designed to confuse and require figurative translation? I'd rather you argued that god spoke to you personally, (which even christians wouldn't believe).

In your picture show there was one atheist with that on his jacket, they weren't all wearing it.  Several said "Got Jesus? Nope" and a lot didn't appear to have anything, others symbols.  This was a rally where you are more outladish.  Where were they harrassing the 3rd grade?

And, same question as before.  Why don't chrsitians run over to the middle east preaching about the one true god and one true religion?  Why do christians only preach where it is allowed by law?  The main difference is atheists don't want to convert everyone to atheism, we simply don't want religion to have rule or to obligate us to traditions/ideals we don't agree with or believe in.  

There are going to be extremists in every group, atheists don't contend all christians are evil and mass murderers, it's silly to compare body counts.

[Lilbeth]

I'm starting to think that atheism may be a mental disorder?


Above statement a quote from you, Psalm....I just LOVE it when someone takes an idea of mine and turns around and uses it against me! Thank you......
I think there are mental disorders, extremists....blah, blah blah in every groupings of people ....Mental disorders do not traget one group.....just like any diease or sickness does not target one group.....Maybe you took it from me....my experience on the forum with the righteous religious folk there ....and I bunched these Christian folk into a whole and said they wanted to crucify me...Sorry, if I made you feel that way....No.....there were some who stayed out of it, as they were afraid and sent me private pm's expressing their annoyances with the others and things.....and then there was the phenomenon of the "group mentality" for many......that seems to take on a psychology all of its own........and this group mentality was on a witch hunt......
I am sorry....this was my experience.......and I think the group mentality thing was more attributable to it than anything else....It got so bad, the owner had to make rules and single me out....even though she was not against me.....but to save her own forum.....

[Lilbeth]

and this group phenomenon had other witch hunts, too, about lots of things...and many people have left that were victims of those...I stuck it out and am still there....have alot of respect now from many there....but still others harbor resentment, STILL.....and make life silently miserable...HA!

[Psalm23]

Since when do christians abide by the verses in the bible, you pick and choose which to follow at will....and wait were they from Jesus or third party hearsay?  So please, arguing for the bible is the worst argument because chrsitians pick the rosey parts about love and the afterlife and ignore the parts about eating their own children, beating their slaves, and killing themselves after masturbating on the floor before sleeping with their sister-in-law as ordered by god.  When you start following what you consider your word I may listen, but the way christians say "it's the word of god" while simultaneously saying, "it's not meant to be taken literally" is utterly annoying.  Why would you follow something that was designed to confuse and require figurative translation? I'd rather you argued that god spoke to you personally, (which even christians wouldn't believe).

I agree with you 100%! The majority of modern-day Christians do not follow Jesus' laws. That is exactly why Jesus Christ saith, "Very few shall enter into the Kingdom of God." I'm even guilty of breaking many laws Jesus laid down. Of course I look at other women with a lustful eye, of course I like to drink alcohol, and occasionally I use vulgar language, but is God going to condemn me to Hellfire because I did not follow all 600+ laws? According to the Bible.. God said, "Believe in Me, and I shall grant you Eternal Life."

In your picture show there was one atheist with that on his jacket, they weren't all wearing it.  Several said "Got Jesus? Nope" and a lot didn't appear to have anything, others symbols.  This was a rally where you are more outladish.  Where were they harrassing the 3rd grade?

It's funny I didn't see this guy wearing a "Buddha is a cu*t" t-shirt. Or how about, "Thor is imaginary, move on with your life." ad campaign on a bus?

And, same question as before.  Why don't chrsitians run over to the middle east preaching about the one true god and one true religion?

Are you kidding me right now? I guess you never heard of Christian Missionaries? I have a friend named Jason that travels to the Middle East; (Syria, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon) teaching those people about Jesus Christ.

Why do christians only preach where it is allowed by law?  The main difference is atheists don't want to convert everyone to atheism, we simply don't want religion to have rule or to obligate us to traditions/ideals we don't agree with or believe in.

I guess you never heard of Christian Persecution in the Middle East? Christians are being tortured, killed, and sent to prison for life, all for believing in Christ.

[PipeBox]

I have never looked for sources or researched a dumb youtube video with such rigor before, but you were the first I've seen come here fooled, Psalm, you well may not be the last.  Maybe I'll make a response video.  Take note, I've done all the research myself, so while it may be in error, I doubt you looked for them at all.  In fact, I'll ask why, if it's all true, this isn't all over the place?  This is to atheists what Zeitgeist is to Christians: total bunk.  Without further ado:

5,000 dead clergy in france in 1789 - This appears to be the first year of the French Revolution, and there are no upheavals of the church in this year.  The state tried to take all the church's land and the church refused.  The state took a keen dislike to the church, destroying crosses and church bells, and forcing some 30,000 nonjuring (not accepting the authority of the state) priests to leave the country or be removed from active clergyship.  Legislation was eventually passed that demanded the killing of all nonjuring priests and people harboring them on sight, but all of this taken into account, the deathtoll rests at about 1500, and these deaths did not take place in 1789.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristia ... Revolution
http://books.google.com/books?id=VjXHmc ... TcHX4CnL7w
(Note: The video's source is broken, but the site it links to exists.  However, after a search of the site, I was unable to locate anything in regards to the death toll included in the video, or, for that matter, the French Revolution and Dechristinisation of France.)

20,000 believers and clergy by atheists of "Commune of Paris in 1871 - The Commune was a group of socialists and anarchists that took over the city and governmental function for 2 months.  They were regarded as a "people's government," though they issued questionable decrees.  When the Prussian National Guard, and the National Assembly took the control from them, they gave them a very bloody end, the death toll being 20,000.  However, this is not a case of atheists slaying Christians, but is instead entirely political, though clergy were doubtlessly caught up in it.  The video's author implication that there was any religious motive is incorrect, and further, they mixed up the victims with the killers.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
(Note: The video author's source of http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04168a.htm indeed does link to a page about clergy and their followers who were killed, but it was not because of their faith.  They were executed along with anyone else the National Assembly felt like, without being specially singled out.  The page gives no deathtoll, and since it doesn't list out a particularly large number of Christians, it stands to reason the video author is using it dishonestly.  It may also be noted that the title of the page is Martyrs of the Paris Commune, which clearly confused the video author into thinking they were killed by the Paris Commune, rather than being members of it, in actuality.)

1,000,000 Russ ion Orthodox believers martyred by Bolsheviks in USSR in 1917 - I was able to find that millions died as a result of a wrecked, war-torn country, the result of World War One, and the collapse of the economy, but the date given suggests that the video author is citing the October Revolution of the Russian Civil War.  The only number I could find through wiki or google with 1,000,000 dead was the Russian Red Army.  While 20,000,000 died as an end result of the war, these are not martyrs. The only martyrs were 28 bishops and 1,200 priests, and this is the sum total for the 5 years of revolution.  The Bolsheviks detested religion, but they subjected it to ridicule and shut down churches, only killing the upper echelons of the churches and not their full congregations.  It should be clear that the author is either mistaken or lying, as he's off by at least two orders of magnitude.  Also, the USSR didn't exist until 1922.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ci ... #Aftermath
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Or ... unist_rule
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 18,00.html

60,000 Orthodox (which religion, again?) martyred by Bolsheviks in Georgia in 1918 - I can find no number nor event to correspond to this entry.  The video offers no source, either.

(Aside: I can't help but notice the author will list Catholics being killed as Christian deaths after beginning the video calling them "Pagan temple worshipers led by a pope."  Guess sinner/saint depends wholly on his judgement, which is in line with the video's agenda.)

15,000,000 Christians die in prison camps in USSR - This would be a flooring atrocity, however, there's nothing backing this up.  The author of the video cites no source, death toll of the gulags, while possibly into the millions, the most ghastly number of deaths I an find attributed is 516,841 over the course of three years.  Also, the prison camp population crests at 1.7 million, or 2.5 million if we include the prisons themselves and not just the camps.  While the gulag was an atrocity, it is not what the author tries to make it.  He devalues the deaths of those that atually died, not just Christians, but all the political prisoners and POWs, with his shameless, extravagant false claim.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#Early_Soviet_period

1,200,000 die as USSR tries to liquidate Roman Catholicism 1925-1950 - I cannot find anything that matches this claim, not even the USSR trying to dissolve the Roman Catholic Church.  It appears to be just another fictional number.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... rsecutions
http://www.conservapedia.com/Russian#19 ... he_U.S.S.R. (Oh, yeah, I'm citing Conservapedia's lack of mentioning not just this claimed atrocity, but ALL OF THEM so far)

500,000 Iranian Orthodox Christians are slaughtered by USSR Many are crucified - Google, with all manner of terms and tenses and synonyms and swaps I could think of, found nothing.  But while we're here, just what the hell is an Iranian Orthodox, anyway?


You know what?  I'm done.  This video is so bogus that it isn't worth my further review.  If there is one tiny nugget of truth in this dishonest, ignorant, malevolent piece of trash, then give me that nugget, as I'm done watching this video with any expetation of the dice coming up in a Christian's favor.  Psalm, I can see why you would not have checked sources, and it's very easy to get caught up in being vindicated, but this video is vile rubbish, as much an assault on your credulity as it makes itself out to be a blow against atheists.  Spread the word to anyone that ever tries to cite this video, that it is a - pardon the expletives - shitton of wank.

SUMMARY FOR TL;DR PEOPLE:
The video Psalm linked to is beyond rubbish.  To the point I reviewed it, it is all lies.

[curiosityandthecat]

...shitton of wank...
SUMMARY FOR TL;DR PEOPLE:
The video Psalm linked to is beyond rubbish.  To the point I reviewed it, it is all lies.

[VanReal]

I agree with you 100%! The majority of modern-day Christians do not follow Jesus' laws. That is exactly why Jesus Christ saith, "Very few shall enter into the Kingdom of God." I'm even guilty of breaking many laws Jesus laid down. Of course I look at other women with a lustful eye, of course I like to drink alcohol, and occasionally I use vulgar language, but is God going to condemn me to Hellfire because I did not follow all 600+ laws? According to the Bible.. God said, "Believe in Me, and I shall grant you Eternal Life."

So which is it, are you in or out?

It's funny I didn't see this guy wearing a "Buddha is a cu*t" t-shirt. Or how about, "Thor is imaginary, move on with your life." ad campaign on a bus?

That may be because Buddha was a man and is not claimed to be the one true god. I also am not of the opinion that Buddhism is a religion, more of a philosophy and they are fine with followers believing in other religions. Just my opinion. And who the heck is Thor and who worships him?  Obvioulsy Thor believers aren't running around converting or I would have heard of it.

Are you kidding me right now? I guess you never heard of Christian Missionaries? I have a friend named Jason that travels to the Middle East; (Syria, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon) teaching those people about Jesus Christ.

I guess you never heard of Christian Persecution in the Middle East? Christians are being tortured, killed, and sent to prison for life, all for believing in Christ.

Please there is minimal attempt at converting muslims from christian missionaries in the middle east.  Let's not act like there is a mob of christians in the middle east converting. That's understandable though as it would be wiser to start in countries where you are the majority, but it doesn't seem to be going that well as far as Islam conversions even within the western world. (A quick google search on info for christians to learn about islamic missions/conversion wasn't promising either.) Apparenlty even the word of god has it's limitations.

http://www.arabicbible.com/christian/missions.htm

http://www.levant.info/MER035.html

Maybe christians would stop being persecuted (although I don't agree they are) if they'd enjoy their religion to themselves or in their communities, spend their lives living as they believe they are supposed to in the word, and stop blundering around trying to make everyone believe.  It's not even appealing how it is preached, doesn't sound warm and fuzzy or like anything I'd want to be part of.

As far as your OP, the argument that you have to be 100% certain of something to believe or not believe is ridiculous.  You can not be 100% certain there is a god just as I can not be 100% certain there is not one yet you still believe and I do not.  Your OP is an invalid argument.

I'm positive my cats can understand me, although I can't prove it and they don't speak to me to confirm, but just because someone says "Van you aren't 100% certain so they can't understand you" doesn't mean I don't still believe it.  (Well, I think I lose them at anything over 3 syllables but below that they're hearing me.)  

[Kodanshi]

you can see the pictures of atheists wearing "jesus is a cu*t" jackets and t-shirts.

Nonsense. I love Heavy Metal and I know from years and years ago those tshirts simply show, not a hatred against Jesus, but a love of the band Cradle of Filth. If you happen to look at the front you will see their logo, and a naked nun using a crucifix as a dildo (vestal masturbation).

[Ihateyoumike]

Does anyone else notice that psalm23 is basically saying that he hates America's freedoms because it does not allow for a christian run country where they run around killing anyone who believes? This guy would've fit right in during the crusades.

There is sure alot of hatred towards someone they don't believe in.

Let me clear something up. I (and this is speaking only on my own behalf) do not hate your god or your jesus, because they don't exist. You, on the other hand, I really dislike. You come on a board where there is no preaching allowed, and preach like your ass is on fire. You tell us that countries where religious people can fully oppress any non-religious folks by any means are better than the U.S. You say that religion is not the basis for most of the human suffering throughout the ages.  
My advice? Leave. Please. Do us all a favor, and go to a christian forum where you can laugh and joke about us going to your hell, and pray for us all day long. Your preaching will get you nowhere here.
That's all I'm going to say about you. I will probably just add you to my ignore list, because something tells me you're gonna keep on doing what you do.

edit:

I'm starting to think that atheism may be a mental disorder?

You come on our forum and tell us this? I want to say, "you are a complete idiot" right now, but I'll refrain.

[PipeBox]

I was going to say "Thanks Curio, I needed that," but then Van won the thread with that last pic.  At least I'm not irritated anymore.  

[Whitney]

What it is, is irrelevant, and an association fallacy.

Sorry about that. I should have posted the link along with my story. Click this link, and you can see the pictures of atheists wearing "jesus is a cu*t" jackets and t-shirts. This is the same behavior that goes on in a 3rd grade classroom. http://www.flamewarrior.com/gamow.htm

There is sure alot of hatred towards someone they don't believe in.

I'm starting to think that atheism may be a mental disorder?[/quote]

By your logic, I could reference the Fred Phelps "God Hates Fags" group then claim that all Christians act that way and therefore Christianity might be a mental disorder.

At least try not to be a bigot.  You could start by taking a look around the forum to familiarize yourself with what most of the athesits here are like.  It's very obvious you haven't bothered because there is a thread where we have been discussing wearing atheist t-shirts and what is appropriate.

Sorry, but I'm not going to be very tolerant of your being here trying to convince us of your views when you don't seem interested in viewing us as normal people.

[Sophus]

I don't know for 100% fact that it is God. But I believe it is. I have that gut feeling, ya know?  

Hmm... feeling versus thought. I wonder which is more accurate?