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Atheists, come on, really, stop and think for a minute..

Started by Psalm23, March 04, 2009, 02:32:41 PM

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Hitsumei

Quote from: "Will"Did you make this up or do you have a link to share with us? Anyway, if Jesus was real, it's possible he was a homosexual. I mean there's no evidence to suggest he wasn't homosexual.

Are you really defending that if it is true? He said "faggot" which is a derogatory slang towards homosexuals. If that really was what it says, then they are clearly attempting to insult Christians by recklessly using homosexuality as a vehicle with zero regard for collateral damage. Everything about that is crass.  

QuoteAh, but it turns out Stalin probably wasn't actually an atheist. He was likely a deist. Historian Simon Sebag Montefiore established that Stalin believed in god.

That is a controversial subject, and if it were "established" then it would not be controversial within the field of history, but it is.

What it is, is irrelevant, and an association fallacy.
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." ~Timothy Leary
"Marriage is for women the commonest mode of livelihood, and the total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution." ~Bertrand Russell
"[Feminism is] a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their

Will

Quote from: "Hitsumei"Are you really defending that if it is true? He said "faggot" which is a derogatory slang towards homosexuals. If that really was what it says, then they are clearly attempting to insult Christians by recklessly using homosexuality as a vehicle with zero regard for collateral damage. Everything about that is crass.
It's not likely true and I'm not being serious. Same thing with the Stalin thing.
I want bad people to look forward to and celebrate the day I die, because if they don't, I'm not living up to my potential.

Hitsumei

Quote from: "Will"It's not likely true and I'm not being serious. Same thing with the Stalin thing.

After reading your comment again, I can see that I perhaps misinterpreted it. I apologize.  :blush:
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." ~Timothy Leary
"Marriage is for women the commonest mode of livelihood, and the total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution." ~Bertrand Russell
"[Feminism is] a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their

Will

Quote from: "Hitsumei"After reading your comment again, I can see that I perhaps misinterpreted it. I apologize.  :blush:
No worries.

We're not even sure if Hitler was Christian, but of course that doesn't matter in the slightest. It's not like he did what he did because he was Christian or deist or atheist. He did it because he was an asshole. Same thing with Stalin. The fact that Stalin might have been atheist is no more to the point than he had a mustache. A wonderful mustache on such a bad person is a real shame.
I want bad people to look forward to and celebrate the day I die, because if they don't, I'm not living up to my potential.

Hitsumei

Quote from: "Will"
Quote from: "Hitsumei"After reading your comment again, I can see that I perhaps misinterpreted it. I apologize.  :blush:
No worries.

We're not even sure if Hitler was Christian, but of course that doesn't matter in the slightest. It's not like he did what he did because he was Christian or deist or atheist. He did it because he was an asshole. Same thing with Stalin. The fact that Stalin might have been atheist is no more to the point than he had a mustache. A wonderful mustache on such a bad person is a real shame.

Agreed.
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." ~Timothy Leary
"Marriage is for women the commonest mode of livelihood, and the total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution." ~Bertrand Russell
"[Feminism is] a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their

Lilbeth

Well, Psalm, I give you kudos for coming to an atheist forum and taking most on....You have more balls than I....Can't see that I would walk into a den of religious people and take them all on, basically single handedly......You must have thick skin or something.....LOL! Maybe we are nicer, too....LOL!
Anyway, of course I have no proof of my thinkings as a small child......of course not......
As a 3 year old, I was playing with a small pet turtle I had, and accidentally cracked its shell somehow. It did not die right away, but my father came home and yelled at me, and told me it was going to die and I was at fault......I was not upset that he yelled at me....but I felt like the worst person alive right then because of my feelings of what I had done to the turtle...my own remorse, regret and overwhelming sadness changed me from that day forward to feeling very sad and guilty.....I have never gotten over that...Now, religion was never something in my home, as my parents were both non-believers....so I did not fear any reward or punishment for what I had done....My father already yelled at me, and that was over...no more punishment or being yelled at would ensue....so my feelings of sorrow  were for that turtle.......period....not for me.....
Now, how can you say that man is evil? I don't think I had or have an evil nature......instrinsically...I cannot speak for anyone else, but I can speak for myself here....
I don't think any of us come into this world with an evil nature.....maybe still a little savage still due to our primitive brain cells and Darwinism.....and I do believe that some are more evolved that others here.....Dolphins are generally very gentle and docile and helpful....and they are not believers in a god that i know of......Their neo cortexes are said to be longer than ours, though.
Do you think the need for religion is people's need for a parental figure still to be in charge to reward or punish?...It alleviates much guilt when we are punished.....doesn't it?....but when we are just left with our ownselves and have to take on the responsibility of what we do ALONE and the consequences for it....doesn't it get a little bit more difficult? I think so.....anyway......
Desmond Morris says that religion is man's weapon to fight the knowingness that death is imminent...Only death is not really imminent in our species....but we know about it and know it is coming, so in our minds, it is always imminent... our weapon of choice to fight this unknown monster is religion.........
I don't know where I am going here....really....just some random thoughts I am putting forth, i guess....I am sure I will have more here in a bit....
Anyway....hope you stick around....we are really a nice lot.....

Lilbeth

Correction...I did take on a bunch of self righteous religious people on a doll forum once about their religion......about 3 years ago...i am still feeling the effects of that....LOL! People wanted to crucify me! I had the balls because the owner of the forum is an atheist, though.

Lilbeth

Also....lol...I am good with continual adds.....
I really don't recognize the word evil...
I recognize savage.....
man's inhumanity to man.....
chemical imbalances
sick

Neurological tests are being done and ongoing of the brains of criminals....I think alot needs to be learned here.......
If someone has something lacking in their brain to make them more savage than normal....they are sick, not evil, right?
I still have to think more on this subject and learn more......though...
Things I do think about, though.....

Psalm23

Quote from: "Kylyssa"
Quote from: "Psalm23"I was watching a Prison documentary on MSNBC Saturday night, and the interviewer asked a serial killer who savagely butchered 15 people, "Do you believe in God?" He replied, "What God? there is no God!"

But what of the far greater number of serial killers who have stated that God told them to do it?

If atheists are all evil then why are American prisons so full of Christians and Muslims instead of atheists?

If Christians are so much more moral than everyone else, why do Christians, per capita, have MORE abortions, teen pregnancies, and teen STDs than any other religion or non-religion in the US?  Is it all the big mean (and too smart to get caught, apparently) atheist rapists bringing these things upon the innocent Christian teens?

Mind you, I don't directly blame Christianity for Christians committing more crimes and being more careless (on average) about teen sexual practices, I think it's just that conditions that also create criminals and ignorance of the human body create Christians - poor education, poverty, and other types of suffering.  And I don't mean you have to be stupid or poorly educated to believe, I mean that suffering in situations where there's no real life hope tends to make people seek whatever hope exists even if it's hope centered around a fantasy.
Sit down and watch this video. It's about the astrocities that atheists have caused throughout history.

No other religion has been persecuted by atheists. Only Christianity.

Jesus said to his Disicples, "My people will be persecuted because of my name!"

You atheists are only making Jesus' word that much more true. Thank you!

Who would have thought 2,000 years later, people such as atheists would still be worried about a 1st century Rabbi. lol.

I saw an atheist wearing a t-shirt that reads; "Jesus is a cu*t" But wait a gosh darn second!! I thought Jesus didn't exist?? so how can he be considered a cu*t? This is further proof that atheists are just rebellious towards Christianity.

I would pay $500 U.S dollars to any atheist(s) who are willing to wear a t-shirt in Iran or Iraq that reads, "Allah is a fag!" Any takers? This kind of stuff only happens where it's acceptable by law. The Iranian citizens would stone you to death for wearing a t-shirt like that!

Or how about that Bus advertisement? Are there any atheists that are willing to visit Pakistan or Iran and place an ad on a bus that says, "Allah is imaginary, enjoy your life!" come on atheists.. any takers?

I doubt there will be any takers.. because atheists only run their mouth where it's accepted by law.

Atheists act real tough when they have the law on their side. Iran doesn't play those games! If you disobey Allah in the Islamic Republic.. they hang you! No trial, no jury, straight to the execution chamber! Oh, and if you are Jewish, after they cut off your head.. then they gouge your eyeballs out!

Here is a little history lesson on atheists, and how they have killed way more than any religion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1KpNEeRYU

Have a good day! :)
"Wash me clean, set me free, hold me closer, cover me" - David Crowder - My Hope

Hitsumei

Why don't you just move to the Saudi Arabia and convert to Islam? You clearly think that they have it all right.
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." ~Timothy Leary
"Marriage is for women the commonest mode of livelihood, and the total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution." ~Bertrand Russell
"[Feminism is] a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their

Kodanshi

#70
Quote from: "Lilbeth"If someone has something lacking in their brain to make them more savage than normal....they are sick, not evil, right?
Due to our brain giving us a mental world, we tend to view our brain differently from other organs. In fact it works like any organ in our body, and can go wrong the same way any other organ can. I suffer badly from depression, and it annoys me most when people tell me to pull my act together, stop acting like a victim, etc. If someone has a heart attack you don’t tell them to will themselves better do you? Exactly the same thing applies to a person’s brain.

So yes, a person doesn’t necessarily turn ‘evil’ because something in their brain causes them to go around killing people and enjoying it â€" but it certainly has terrible consequences that you could label ‘evil’.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Here is a little history lesson on atheists, and how they have killed way more than any religion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1KpNEeRYU

Have a good day! :)
Wrong: theists have killed more people than atheists (yay, let’s turn it into a competition instead of denouncing killing altogether!):

Body Count
[size=85]“I've been planning to end at 1 hp for years now.”[/size]

Psalm23

Quote from: "Hitsumei"Why don't you just move to the Saudi Arabia and convert to Islam? You clearly think that they have it all right.
Speaking of Saudi Arabia. There are videos of Islamic radicals beheading someone who slandered or disgraced Allah or Muhammed. In America, using the Lord's name in vain has become a secondary language to some. But in countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia, if you use Allah's name in vain.. you go straight to the hanging. Or they hold a public stoning execution. America is too fragile on atheists.. I think we should strap down some stern laws on atheists.

Atheists feel they have the Freedom to say what they want about Christianity, but if the Christians try to speak, the atheists will cry out, "Seperation of Church and State!!!"

It's a double-edged sword, folks.

You can't have it both ways!
"Wash me clean, set me free, hold me closer, cover me" - David Crowder - My Hope

Psalm23

Quote from: "Kodanshi"Wrong: theists have killed more people than atheists (yay, let’s turn it into a competition instead of denouncing killing altogether!):
No, I do not want to turn this into a "competition!" I'm only trying to show the person that said, "atheists do not kill." or "there are no radical atheists!" they are wrong!

Atheists are just as guilty as anyone else. We are all humans, reguardless of our religious, or non-religious background!


Atheists claim, "Religious people kill in the name of God!"

My rebutal, what drives an atheist to murder?

Joseph Stalin murdered over 30 million people, and he was a atheist-communist!
we all know what happened to Chrisitians/Catholics in the days of Stalin.

The truth can no longer be hidden!

Happy atheists? Yea, only if they are slandering or killing Christians.  :pop:

I guess I have no takers on the little trip to Iran?

The Iranian President Ahmoud Ahmadinejad would love to hear your thoughts on Allah, and how he is imaginary!

I bet he would have you stoned to death within an hour.
"Wash me clean, set me free, hold me closer, cover me" - David Crowder - My Hope

Psalm23

Quote from: "Will"
Quote from: "Hitsumei"After reading your comment again, I can see that I perhaps misinterpreted it. I apologize.  :blush:
No worries.

We're not even sure if Hitler was Christian, but of course that doesn't matter in the slightest. It's not like he did what he did because he was Christian or deist or atheist. He did it because he was an asshole. Same thing with Stalin. The fact that Stalin might have been atheist is no more to the point than he had a mustache. A wonderful mustache on such a bad person is a real shame.
I don't believe Adolf Hitler was a Christian. For the simple reason, could you imagine Hitler living in the days of Jesus? Jesus would have called him a vicious killer!

"The reason the ancient world was so perfect and serene is because it knew nothing about the Pox and Christianity." - Adolf Hitler - 1943

"Christianity is the invention of sick brains." - Adolf Hitler - 1944

Todays fun facts about Adolf Hitler and Christianity...

Did you know Hitler removed all Holy Bibles from public libraries and schools, and he replaced them with Mein Kampf?

To all atheists who claim "Hitler was a Christian." Can you supply the verses from Jesus Christ that says it's totally acceptable to slaughter the Jews?

I don't know what an atheist thinks, but I do know that Hitler despised the Jews, and Jesus was a Jew. I can't fathom Hitler getting on his knees and worshipping a Jew. lol.

That would be like Saddam Hussein worshipping Buddha.
"Wash me clean, set me free, hold me closer, cover me" - David Crowder - My Hope

VanReal

Quote from: "Psalm23"No other religion has been persecuted by atheists. Only Christianity.

Other religions do not spend every waking moment trying to convert people to their religion.  Christianity persecutes christianity.  You can't even find consensus amongst yourselves.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Who would have thought 2,000 years later, people such as atheists would still be worried about a 1st century Rabbi. lol.

Atheists aren't worried about Jesus or any god.  They simply have to deal with the people that feel the need to use this tool for whatever purpose of their choosing/need.  It's the people we have difficulty with, not someone or something that we don't believe exists.

Quote from: "Psalm23"I saw an atheist wearing a t-shirt that reads; "Jesus is a cu*t" But wait a gosh darn second!! I thought Jesus didn't exist?? so how can he be considered a cu*t? This is further proof that atheists are just rebellious towards Christianity.

How do you know it was an atheist?  Maybe it was a person of another faith that doesn't believe in Jesus and is tired of christians shoving it down their throats.  Maybe it was someone that had been excommunicated or molested by a priest or rebelling against their parents.  I don't have that shirt in my closet and don't know anyone that does.  Poor taste is not proof of anything.

Quote from: "Psalm23"I would pay $500 U.S dollars to any atheist(s) who are willing to wear a t-shirt in Iran or Iraq that reads, "Allah is a fag!" Any takers? This kind of stuff only happens where it's acceptable by law. The Iranian citizens would stone you to death for wearing a t-shirt like that!

Or how about that Bus advertisement? Are there any atheists that are willing to visit Pakistan or Iran and place an ad on a bus that says, "Allah is imaginary, enjoy your life!" come on atheists.. any takers?

I doubt there will be any takers.. because atheists only run their mouth where it's accepted by law.

Atheists act real tough when they have the law on their side. Iran doesn't play those games! If you disobey Allah in the Islamic Republic.. they hang you! No trial, no jury, straight to the execution chamber! Oh, and if you are Jewish, after they cut off your head.. then they gouge your eyeballs out!

Ditto to above comment, sounds like you are missing your calling and should move to a country run by religion not one that practices freedom of religion and expression.  And interesting that you comment on atheists acting real tough...what?  Are we running around on http://www.bittercchristian.com telling christians to go to the middle east in their "Jesus is the one true God, Christianity is the one true religion shirt" so they can be beheaded, killed without question, and have their dead eyes ripped out?  Wait, why is it that christians only run around preaching so aggressively in places where it's allowed by law?

Quote from: "Psalm23"Here is a little history lesson on atheists, and how they have killed way more than any religion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1KpNEeRYU

Have a good day! :)

No thanks, one piece of propoganda is just like another.  My not believing in a god has nothing to do with how religious zelots handled religion in the past, or present, that is just the sad part of people and their greed and need for control, has nothing to do with a god.
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