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[Whitney]

When I said that love never ends, I was talking about real love.  The caring love that people should have for all people.....to quote the bible...."love does no harm to one's neighbour"

This kind of love should also apply to one's spouse.

Love never ends

What you are describing is agape love...not the type most would typically associate with a spouse.

[Asmodean Prime]

You're right, there, laetus, except that I think that this kind of love should ALSO apply to a spouse, as well as the population at large, whereas sexual attraction should be limited to a spouse.

I think Court got the wrong end of the stick, and misunderstood me, since she said 'who is naive enough to believe that anymore?'

Sexual attraction should be limited, in order not to harm society, but (agape) love should be extended to all - including the spouse.

If it's true love

(True love)....

Love never ends

[MikeyV]

Sexual attraction should be limited, in order not to harm society, but (agape) love should be extended to all - including the spouse.

How exactly do you limit attraction? Must be some weird xian thing.

Limiting response to sexual attraction I can understand, but limiting something as basic as attraction? And how the hell does sexual attraction "harm" society? Without sexual attraction, there wouldn't be a society to harm.

As for agape love, I don't use the term. It has too much xian baggage attached to it. So I guess that the next best thing would be unconditional love, which I don't believe in either. There are always strings...always.

[Asmodean Prime]

MikeyV wrote : how does sexual attraction harm society?

I think there is a LOT of sexual attraction that harms society, and therefore it must be kept in check.  Just look at the infidelity and child molestation statistics to see my point.

And regarding uncondition love...there are always strings....?  

I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.  This is a subject that needs to be elaborated upon, though, I agree.

[Asmodean Prime]

Also, from a Christian point of view, this practice of saying Xtian instead of Christian, or Xmas instead of Christmas, I find personally offensive, as I'm sure a lot of Christians do, since they are 'crossing Christ out of Christmas', etc.   Please desist, if you will, as it's just laziness on your part.

This is just a request, but it will show, in my opinion, whether or not you are willing to be fair in your description and conduct on this forum (Bigmac is excepted here, coz he is a 'loose cannon', which I like, and find very stimulating)

Do you understand that, peeps?

[Asmodean Prime]

Ok, this is probably not the right section to ask this question.  I don't know any better, OK?  But regarding this 'poll' listed on the right hand side of my homepage:

Who is John Stewart?  Who is Steven Colbert?

Ok, I'm out of touch, ok?  Give me a break...I'm still learning...

So...who is John Stewart and Steven Colbert?

[Court]

Ok, this is probably not the right section to ask this question.  I don't know any better, OK?  But regarding this 'poll' listed on the right hand side of my homepage:

Who is John Stewart?  Who is Steven Colbert?

Ok, I'm out of touch, ok?  Give me a break...I'm still learning...

So...who is John Stewart and Steven Colbert?

Alright, that's it. I'm starting a new thread just for you, onlyme:
Onlyme's Random Questions

No rudeness meant, I promise.

[Court]

MikeyV wrote : how does sexual attraction harm society?

I think there is a LOT of sexual attraction that harms society, and therefore it must be kept in check.  Just look at the infidelity and child molestation statistics to see my point.

Yeah, but how do you stop it? Can you personally stop yourself from being sexually attracted to someone?

And regarding uncondition love...there are always strings....?  

I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.  This is a subject that needs to be elaborated upon, though, I agree.

Well, that's cute and naive of you. If that child were to grow up to be a rapist, I doubt his mother would support him. On the contrary, she'd probably be disgusted.
My mother's family, while they didn't "stop loving her" (or so they claimed), did kick her out of the house and take her off their medical insurance when she decided not to give me up for adoption at 19. Pretty shitty of them, since having a baby without medical insurance is dangerous...And I'll bet $10 they didn't love her less than any other parents love their kids. They were just caught up in their religious bullshit.
As Mikey said, there are always strings.

[MikeyV]

Also, from a Christian point of view, this practice of saying Xtian instead of Christian, or Xmas instead of Christmas, I find personally offensive, as I'm sure a lot of Christians do, since they are 'crossing Christ out of Christmas', etc.   Please desist, if you will, as it's just laziness on your part.

Laziness to use terminology that has been extant for quite some time?

Who, exactly, do you think came up with that abbreviation? That would be christians.

Here is some knowledge for you...

What does 'xian' mean?
"What does the abbreviation 'xian' mean? Is it an insult?"

When writing the name "Christ", it is quite common to abbreviate it to X or x, representing the first letter (chi) of the Greek XPICTOC khristos. For example, "xmas" is a common abbreviation of "Christmas". "Xian" just means "Christian".

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the use of the abbreviation "xian" or "xtian" for "Christian" dates back at least as far as 1634. Before that, it was more usual to take the first two letters of XPICTOC, and write "xpian" for "Christian". Priests would record Christenings using the shorthand "xpen" or "xpn".

If you find it insulting, that's your hangup, not mine.

This is just a request

Request denied. Carry on.

(Bigmac is excepted here, coz he is a 'loose cannon', which I like, and find very stimulating)

So, if I become a "loose cannon", I can be a dick and you won't be offended?

Do you understand that, peeps?

Well, no, not really. I mean, if you're ashamed of the common abbreviation for your saviour....

Besides, you haven't seen me become insulting yet. So, untie your panties and take a deep breath.

[MommaSquid]

I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.

Wait a minute.   Did he just say that corporal punishment represents unconditional love?

[Whitney]

I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.

Wait a minute.   Did he just say that corporal punishment represents unconditional love?

I think so....I disagree, there is no reason to have to smack a child if they are raised properly.

[MikeyV]

I think there is a LOT of sexual attraction that harms society, and therefore it must be kept in check.  Just look at the infidelity and child molestation statistics to see my point.

And you have once again missed the point. Sexual attraction is an involuntary response. It is not, in and of itself, a bad or good thing. It just is. Now, how one acts on a sexual attraction can be bad, good, or neutral.

Whether you like to admit it or not, you are a sexual being. It's hardwired, and there's no getting around it. It's part of species propogation. Males are looking at breast and hip size for good childbearers, while women are looking for strong virile males who are upwardly mobile to care for their young. Trying to control the attraction is like trying to control sneezes, or blinking, or breathing.

And regarding uncondition love...there are always strings....?

Yes, always. Show me an example of real world unconditional love.  

I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.  This is a subject that needs to be elaborated upon, though, I agree.

Yeah, that's not really an example of any sort of unconditional love. That's just an example of your responsibility to teach your progeny that certain acts have painful consequences.

[Court]

I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.

Wait a minute.   Did he just say that corporal punishment represents unconditional love?

I think so....I disagree, there is no reason to have to smack a child if they are raised properly.

Which is why I'm never having children.  

[Whitney]

Spanking discussion split to:

http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html

(I screwed up a little while splitting so a post from onlyme and one of mine got lost in the process...sorry)

[McQ]

Spanking discussion split to:

http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html

(I screwed up a little while splitting so a post from onlyme and one of mine got lost in the process...sorry)

Plus a couple of mine were lost! Sorry if they were offensive to you. Geez, I was just kidding about Tasering kids!