Let's Discuss Dominionism

[xSilverPhinx]

Anybody fancy a gif of that?

Love it!

[Ali]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur. 

[Dobermonster]

These people would bring back the Spanish version of the Inquisition. No main stream version of Christianity could be orthodox enough. They are just plain scary.

I never expected the Spanish Inquisition.

Let's see if anyone picks up on this.

No (one) expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Apparently they always gave 30 days notice, so . . .

[MadBomr101]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur.

Someone also needs to remind these ass-hats that what they aspire to is, oh, what's the word...unconstitutional.  Some people get so stupid over this god shit that they make themselves into a problem that society needs to eradicate, or at least marginalize.  Kinda like how they feel about atheists except that we're neither dangerous nor unbalanced.

At least not as a group.

[xSilverPhinx]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur.

Someone also needs to remind these ass-hats that what they aspire to is, oh, what's the word...unconstitutional.  Some people get so stupid over this god shit that they make themselves into a problem that society needs to eradicate, or at least marginalize.  Kinda like how they feel about atheists except that we're neither dangerous nor unbalanced.

At least not as a group.

You can tell them all you want, but people like that (and your average petty criminal) have their own morality, which always serves them very well. Ever hear the excuses people make? And  without much thought because the moment it happens to them they whine?

They want their religion to persecute others, but when the tables are turned, they're the martyrs.

[Sweetdeath]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur.

Someone also needs to remind these ass-hats that what they aspire to is, oh, what's the word...unconstitutional.  Some people get so stupid over this god shit that they make themselves into a problem that society needs to eradicate, or at least marginalize.  Kinda like how they feel about atheists except that we're neither dangerous nor unbalanced.

At least not as a group.

You can tell them all you want, but people like that (and your average petty criminal) have their own morality, which always serves them very well. Ever hear the excuses people make? And  without much thought because the moment it happens to them they whine?

They want their religion to persecute others, but when the tables are turned, they're the martyrs.

That sums it up pretty well.

[markmcdaniel]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur.

Someone also needs to remind these ass-hats that what they aspire to is, oh, what's the word...unconstitutional.  Some people get so stupid over this god shit that they make themselves into a problem that society needs to eradicate, or at least marginalize.  Kinda like how they feel about atheists except that we're neither dangerous nor unbalanced.

At least not as a group.

You can tell them all you want, but people like that (and your average petty criminal) have their own morality, which always serves them very well. Ever hear the excuses people make? And  without much thought because the moment it happens to them they whine?

They want their religion to persecute others, but when the tables are turned, they're the martyrs.

Its not that they want to persecute much worse others it is much worse than that. THEY WANT TO SAVE ALL OF REST OF US. And only they have the map that will allow that to happen. Much of the evil in the Inquisition was brought about by their desire to save and not the desire to do harm.

[Ali]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur.

Someone also needs to remind these ass-hats that what they aspire to is, oh, what's the word...unconstitutional.  Some people get so stupid over this god shit that they make themselves into a problem that society needs to eradicate, or at least marginalize.  Kinda like how they feel about atheists except that we're neither dangerous nor unbalanced.

At least not as a group.

Here is the part that is a grey area for me: all of us have our own values and morals that influence our vision for the country we want to live in.  For example, I am passionate about gay civil rights, and I admit that it is, at least partially, a moral question for me.  I believe that denying someone equal rights because of their race, sexuality, gender, religion, whatever, is WRONG.  Now, the argument can be made that my morals involve allowing people more freedom, rather than forcing them into narrow boxes.  But I still get confused about whether it is wrong for me to want the laws to follow my personal values, and if it's not wrong, why is it wrong for other people to want the same?

[AnimatedDirt]

Here is the part that is a grey area for me: all of us have our own values and morals that influence our vision for the country we want to live in.  For example, I am passionate about gay civil rights, and I admit that it is, at least partially, a moral question for me.  I believe that denying someone equal rights because of their race, sexuality, gender, religion, whatever, is WRONG.  Now, the argument can be made that my morals involve allowing people more freedom, rather than forcing them into narrow boxes.  But I still get confused about whether it is wrong for me to want the laws to follow my personal values, and if it's not wrong, why is it wrong for other people to want the same?

It's not. ( IMHO )

However as a Christian, it is my stance that God's "narrow box" is not to be legislated onto a secular society.  Sure, I believe certain things would be beneficial for society, but while it's not a theocracy, God's law should remain 'on the heart' of the believer as a way of living because we believe and not a law of the land.  Doing so equates God's laws to speeding or unsafe lane changes.

[Stevil]

Here is the part that is a grey area for me: all of us have our own values and morals that influence our vision for the country we want to live in.

Ahem, there are a few of us whom lack belief in morals.

But I still get confused about whether it is wrong for me to want the laws to follow my personal values, and if it's not wrong, why is it wrong for other people to want the same?

Simple really. Define wrong and you will have your answer.

Personally I would say, that as a society we need rules. All rules oppress in one way or another. So we need and seek oppression of others.
If we set goals of being able to cohabitate together "reasonably" peacefully then we create rules towards that goal, oppressing only when necessary. Murder and theft cause much conflict thus destroy the peace thus we desire rules against these things. What people mutually do in their own bedroom does not cause conflict or destroy the peace, thus we don't desire rules against these things. We don't need to oppress these people.

Oppression itself causes conflict, thus when we oppress, we are trading off the threat of one type of conflict with another. It makes sense to take the path of least resistance. This isn't an argument of right and wrong, but a decision process binding cohabitating members of society.
If there is such a thing as right and wrong, then let the hidden god judge us against these hidden goals, suprise us and torture us if that is its will. If there is no god then there are no consequences of right and wrong, so why bother worrying about it?

[Sweetdeath]

I can understand how you feel, Ali.
I guess to me it's just , hurting another human being because you dont like their features, race, sex, whatever is wrong.


I can choose personally not to hang around certain people. We all have groups of friends to fit our hobbies, etc.

But to say "no, this kind of person isnt allowed in said place cuz of my personal feelings" is wrong.

I dont even like calling them gay rights, but HUMAN rights. It can even be Civil Rights (square)

[En_Route]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur.

Someone also needs to remind these ass-hats that what they aspire to is, oh, what's the word...unconstitutional.  Some people get so stupid over this god shit that they make themselves into a problem that society needs to eradicate, or at least marginalize.  Kinda like how they feel about atheists except that we're neither dangerous nor unbalanced.

At least not as a group.

Here is the part that is a grey area for me: all of us have our own values and morals that influence our vision for the country we want to live in.  For example, I am passionate about gay civil rights, and I admit that it is, at least partially, a moral question for me.  I believe that denying someone equal rights because of their race, sexuality, gender, religion, whatever, is WRONG.  Now, the argument can be made that my morals involve allowing people more freedom, rather than forcing them into narrow boxes.  But I still get confused about whether it is wrong for me to want the laws to follow my personal values, and if it's not wrong, why is it wrong for other people to want the same?

Well you could argue that a society which tolerates difference is likely to increase the total sum of human happiness, hard to measure as that may be , and that is the kind of society you would like to see. Like Stevil, I take the view that when people say something is WRONG , all that means is that they don't approve of it but that they are trying to present their opinion as something which represents a principle of wider application.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

However as a Christian, it is my stance that God's "narrow box" is not to be legislated onto a secular society.  Sure, I believe certain things would be beneficial for society, but while it's not a theocracy, God's law should remain 'on the heart' of the believer as a way of living because we believe and not a law of the land.  Doing so equates God's laws to speeding or unsafe lane changes.

Yes, it would be inconsistent to assert that a religion of grace (Christianity) is intended to be imposed on others by law. It should be accepted voluntarily, or not at all.

[DeterminedJuliet]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur.

Someone also needs to remind these ass-hats that what they aspire to is, oh, what's the word...unconstitutional.  Some people get so stupid over this god shit that they make themselves into a problem that society needs to eradicate, or at least marginalize.  Kinda like how they feel about atheists except that we're neither dangerous nor unbalanced.

At least not as a group.

Here is the part that is a grey area for me: all of us have our own values and morals that influence our vision for the country we want to live in.  For example, I am passionate about gay civil rights, and I admit that it is, at least partially, a moral question for me.  I believe that denying someone equal rights because of their race, sexuality, gender, religion, whatever, is WRONG.  Now, the argument can be made that my morals involve allowing people more freedom, rather than forcing them into narrow boxes.  But I still get confused about whether it is wrong for me to want the laws to follow my personal values, and if it's not wrong, why is it wrong for other people to want the same?

I think your feelings on this issue are easier to defend in a real-world sense. I assume you support gay rights because, to you, sexuality is moot issue when it comes to two people entering into a relationship or a legally defined contract based on that relationship (which is all marriage is, really).

I think the default for a civilized society should be as much freedom as possible, and any restriction of that freedom has to be defended and argued for. If you want to infringe on two people's ability to marry, what's the argument? Because God said so? Whose God? I think it falls apart right there.

If someone could come up with an actual, defend-able, real-world reason why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed, I would hear it out. I haven't seen anything, though. All of the fear-mongering about "social experimentation" is total BS because what we consider "traditional" marriage isn't all that traditional, anyway.   

[Sweetdeath]

Dominionism is truly creepy.  It's like institutionalized delusions of grandeur.

Someone also needs to remind these ass-hats that what they aspire to is, oh, what's the word...unconstitutional.  Some people get so stupid over this god shit that they make themselves into a problem that society needs to eradicate, or at least marginalize.  Kinda like how they feel about atheists except that we're neither dangerous nor unbalanced.

At least not as a group.

Here is the part that is a grey area for me: all of us have our own values and morals that influence our vision for the country we want to live in.  For example, I am passionate about gay civil rights, and I admit that it is, at least partially, a moral question for me.  I believe that denying someone equal rights because of their race, sexuality, gender, religion, whatever, is WRONG.  Now, the argument can be made that my morals involve allowing people more freedom, rather than forcing them into narrow boxes.  But I still get confused about whether it is wrong for me to want the laws to follow my personal values, and if it's not wrong, why is it wrong for other people to want the same?

I think your feelings on this issue are easier to defend in a real-world sense. I assume you support gay rights because, to you, sexuality is moot issue when it comes to two people entering into a relationship or a legally defined contract based on that relationship (which is all marriage is, really).

I think the default for a civilized society should be as much freedom as possible, and any restriction of that freedom has to be defended and argued for. If you want to infringe on two people's ability to marry, what's the argument? Because God said so? Whose God? I think it falls apart right there.

If someone could come up with an actual, defend-able, real-world reason why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed, I would hear it out. I haven't seen anything, though. All of the fear-mongering about "social experimentation" is total BS because what we consider "traditional" marriage isn't all that traditional, anyway.   

I heart you, Juliet <3

Yeah, it's like everytime i hear the whole 'traditional marriage' thing, I want to slap them in the face, then give them links to when women were married off as property for kingdoms and cattle. >_>; so..Hn

Marriages changes, evolves and adapts with times.
People should as well.