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Religion and Science together in the classroom?

Started by Ecurb Noselrub, December 16, 2011, 02:41:43 AM

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Whitney

I can see his point but I think further integrating science teaching with every day life could be done easily without having to bring in controversial topics.  It takes a special kind of teacher to pull off directing discussions that could get heated without imposing their own bias.  It would also require changing curriculum requirements to make room for tedious discussions; meaning that important information might have to be cut to make room for more discussion time....I don't know if that is even possible given how much students are expected to know by graduation and entering into the college level courses.

Sweetdeath

Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Tank

Nope. Superstition and supernaturalism have no place in the science classroom. Science deals with verifiable facts, superstition deals with wild arse speculation and wishful thinking, these two conditions are not compatible.

However as religion plays such an important part in human life I think that simply ignoring it in school is not reasonable. In the UK one does have Religious Education as a subject. Personally I would like to see a subject called Belief, Morality and Ethics where these three subjects are dealt with objectivly and debated in a friendly supportive environment and children get the chance to discuss these vital issues. If we don't do that then it is quite possible that the only impression a Christian would get of a Muslim and visa versa would be the impression provided by their media of choice.

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If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Squid

I like how this guy thinks he's breaking new ground or something.  It's well known that kids and people in general learn and retain things better if they can relate them to things in their life.  This is different from the idea of putting religion and science up for discussion in a public school classroom.  There's time for kids to delve into the deep ethical questions of such things in college, that's what college is for.  Public school is there to ensure kids have a solid foundation education and not to attempt to address the world's problems and ethical issues.

Davin

I like how the guy refers to how we're supposed to compete with countries that are doing better in science education, and that his solution is to delute the science that is taught.

My solution would be to get rid of school superintendents like this that don't even know what a theory is.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Gawen

Quote from: Tank on December 16, 2011, 08:08:07 AM
Nope. Superstition and supernaturalism have no place in the science classroom. Science deals with verifiable facts, superstition deals with wild arse speculation and wishful thinking, these two conditions are not compatible.



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The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Asmodean

Quote from: Tank on December 16, 2011, 08:08:07 AM
Nope. Superstition and supernaturalism have no place in the science classroom.
...Or anywhere else except crappy TV shows, potentially OK movies and potentially great books.

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Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Gawen

Quote from: Asmodean on December 17, 2011, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 16, 2011, 08:08:07 AM
Nope. Superstition and supernaturalism have no place in the science classroom.
...Or anywhere else except crappy TV shows, potentially OK movies and potentially great books.

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(We are so barbarically awesome, that we use ears for coins, oh yes we do  ;D )
I'll raise your two ears after I ante up 10 fingernails.
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Asmodean

Quote from: Gawen on December 17, 2011, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 17, 2011, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 16, 2011, 08:08:07 AM
Nope. Superstition and supernaturalism have no place in the science classroom.
...Or anywhere else except crappy TV shows, potentially OK movies and potentially great books.

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(We are so barbarically awesome, that we use ears for coins, oh yes we do  ;D )
I'll raise your two ears after I ante up 10 fingernails.
They use those as coins somewhere..? o.O

In Norwegian, a hundredth part of a krone is one øre (The lowest-value existing coin is 50 øre). The word øre also means ear. Nice, yes?  :D
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

xSilverPhinx

 :o

In Brazil it's Real which means either 'real' or 'royal'.

I like 'real'. ;D keep it real, even in the science classroom.

I'm not against teaching about religions, comparative religions and even philosophy and ethics, but not along with science. Besides, people are smart enough to reconcile their philosophies with their existence, they don't need a teacher to guide them to do so in the classroom.
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


history_geek

Religion in school? I think it would be a good idea, at least as long as they teach about other religions besides the Abrahamic ones, and the teatcher remeber to understand to keep away from the stand point of "but My religions is better then these other because....".

But science and religion in the same class room? It's like mixing chemistry and cooking classes. On one hand they are similar, on the other one produces eadible products while the other one creates dangerous and even deadly concoctions... :o
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C Clarke's Third Law
"Any sufficiently advanced alien is indistinguishable from a god."
Pierre-Simon, marquis de Laplace:
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OldGit

No religion in schools, except for the same purpose as anti-drug education.  No mixing it with science.

HIJACK TOPIC ALERT:
No priests in schools, or within half a mile thereof.  ;D

That's four cents - or is it six?

Tank

I know an atheist in Leeds who teaches RE and philosophy  :D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Jose AR

I did read the article in the link, but wish to comment on something else. I don't see the point in your creating a forum posting, including a link, but not commenting. Maybe I am in a bad mood, but I think I can read articles on pedagogy without your help.

Jose AR