The Bible Summed Up In One Short Sentence

[Asmodean]

In your thread I challenge anyone here to present evidence that the Bible is historically, scientifically, factually, prophetically, realistically or any other way bullshit. Start the thread. Put your "real money" or your "fake money" where your big mouth is.

...So, the burden of proof is on you, and yet you challenge us to prove things to you..? Prove your point first, if you have any. If you manage as much, we can then attempt to disprove it.

Oh, and getting all ad-hominem confrontational about it sort of makes you look the idiot... Besides, let's face it, you have nothing better to do with your time, or you wouldn't be here in the first place.

[Stevil]

In your thread I challenge anyone here to present evidence that the Bible is historically, scientifically, factually, prophetically, realistically or any other way bullshit. Start the thread. Put your "real money" or your "fake money" where your big mouth is.

Do you know what an Atheist is?
A person who lacks a belief in gods.

You are an Atheist with regards to the Greek gods, the Maori gods, the Hindi gods...

An Atheist does not necessarily claim that they have proof that gods don't exist. How can we disprove something that isn't clearly defined, or whose definition is in the metaphysical non material realm?
There is a slight difference between saying "I don't believe in Gods" or saying "I believe (or have proof) that gods definitely don't exist.

Idiot sons a bitches. Stop wasting my fucking time.

You have chosen to come and visit us, You have chosen to participate on this forum. So who is it that is wasting your time?
If your intent is to teach then you need to find willing students. This forum isn't a classroom for people eager to learn how to believe in the Christian god. Maybe you could seek a career as a Sunday School teacher?

[Recusant]

The atheists proclaim the Bible to be bullshit while being willfully ignorant of it all the while citing "evidence" and "rational thinking" on their side and are disgusted with having to manufacture "martyrs" so that they can continue to do so.

Its laughable.

Heh, I would agree that there are some atheists who are willfully ignorant of the Bible. However, a broad generalization from this to "the atheists" is laughable as well. I'm not sure what you mean when you write of manufacturing martyrs; would you mind clarifying?

You can find some extensive critiques of the Bible here from people who appear to have a very respectable knowledge of it. One of the more recent that comes to mind is Gawen's examination of the Sermon on the Mount. Why don't you make yourself useful and give us a good Christian rebuttal to at least some of the points that he makes there?

Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

[Asmodean]

Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

A bit dry though, doncha' think..? Needs a little of that... That something, which ze French call a certain... Ol' Git, where are you?! I stabbed meself with ze French sword again! 

[Recusant]

Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

A bit dry though, doncha' think..? Needs a little of that... That something, which ze French call a certain... Ol' Git, where are you?! I stabbed meself with ze French sword again! 

Yes, je ne sais quoi. Well, I think that's there, but maybe I'm relying on my imagination to supply it. I see Earthling grinding his teeth and growling when he types those words. I hope he doesn't break his computer by frothing on it or pounding on the keyboard in anger.

[Asmodean]

I see Earthling grinding his teeth and growling when he types those words. I hope he doesn't break his computer by frothing on it or pounding on the keyboard in anger.

Asmodean's buzz is hereby restored!  Thank you for the most amusing images in my clayish head 

[Stevil]

Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

A bit dry though, doncha' think..? Needs a little of that... That something, which ze French call a certain... Ol' Git, where are you?! I stabbed meself with ze French sword again! 

Yes, je ne sais quoi. Well, I think that's there, but maybe I'm relying on my imagination to supply it. I see Earthling grinding his teeth and growling when he types those words. I hope he doesn't break his computer by frothing on it or pounding on the keyboard in anger.

On second thought I think he may be unsuitable as a Sunday School Teacher, maybe instead some sort of job that doesn't involve interaction with people.

[Asmodean]

On second thought I think he may be unsuitable as a Sunday School Teacher, maybe instead some sort of job that doesn't involve interaction with people.

Death row chaplain... I don't know why, but seems... Appropriate. Bad temper with those guys can get a guy's legs ripped off though... So maybe not... 

[Earthling]

In my understanding, YHVH also called himself "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh" (I Am that I Am). I don't see any challenge to his "am-ness" in this story.

At this God said to Moses: "I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be." And he added: "This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, 'I shall prove to be has sent me to you.'"

Footnote: "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE." Heb., ה ר ה (ʼEh‧yeh′ ʼAsher′ ʼEh‧yeh′), God's own self-designation; Leeser, "I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE"; Rotherham, "I Will Become whatsoever I please." Gr., E‧go′ ei‧mi ho on, "I am The Being," or, "I am The Existing One"; Lat., e′go sum qui sum, "I am Who I am." ʼEh‧yeh′ comes from the Heb. verb ha‧yah′, "become; prove to be." Here ʼEh‧yeh′ is in the imperfect state, first person sing., meaning "I shall become"; or, "I shall prove to be." The reference here is not to God's self-existence but to what he has in mind to become toward others. Compare Ge 2:4 ftn, "Jehovah," where the kindred, but different, Heb. verb ha‧wah′ appears in the divine name.

The importance of a name in primitive cultures can't be overlooked, and here Jehovah tells Moses that he will become or prove himself to be whatever is necessary to fulfull his purpose in this capacity or any other and they will get to know him as such.  It reminds me of the Latin Deus ex mechana. God from the Machine, literally God from our own hands, except that here God isn't the creation of the person needing to fulfill a difficulty within a plot, but rather he is willing to prove himself to the Israelite.

[Earthling]

For preaching which is another word for teaching.

...Seriously?

Why do we have two words for the same thing then? Mayhaps it is because preaching is NOT the same as teaching..?

Perhaps. I could be arguing in my spare time.

[Earthling]

...So, the burden of proof is on you, and yet you challenge us to prove things to you..? Prove your point first, if you have any. If you manage as much, we can then attempt to disprove it.

I'm not here to prove or disprove anything. Only for good discourse. Down and dirty if need be, but not necessarily.

Oh, and getting all ad-hominem confrontational about it sort of makes you look the idiot... Besides, let's face it, you have nothing better to do with your time, or you wouldn't be here in the first place.

Obviously. I have traveled down the superhighway of misinformation in search of a knowledgeable atheist. I have "talked" to thousands in 20 years doing what I'm doing here. There was one atheist I met who had good reason, evidence, capable of rational discussion on the subject of the Bible. Here is what a conversation with that gentlemen and myself looked like.

Discussion between Daystar (Me) and an informed Atheist named Jim AKA Rambo.

[Too Few Lions]

You are funny, Earthling, very funny.

These good conversations you talk about, do all parties in the conversation have the opinion that these are good conversations?

I seem to recall a couple of them expressing interest upon my arrival which was shaky at best, thanks to an eagerness for what? Good conversation or bloodsport?

Why don't you introduce a topic in which I can address any real challenge to the Bible other than the opinion and hearsay.  We can move on at least until I'm gone and stop wasting time with this drama?

In your thread I challenge anyone here to present evidence that the Bible is historically, scientifically, factually, prophetically, realistically or any other way bullshit. Start the thread. Put your "real money" or your "fake money" where your big mouth is.

Idiot sons a bitches. Stop wasting my fucking time.

I thought I'd already done that in answer to your first thread! If you don't want to accept the archaeological and scientific evidence that shows your holy book is largely just myths and stories and not historically accurate, not my problem. The Bible is just a book written 2-3000 years ago by fairly unenlightened people. If you're going to ascribe some great place in the cosmos for this collection of words, the onus is on you to prove it, not on us to show you it's just a load of rehashed fables.

I always feel a bit sorry for the Jews. You Christians stole their god and holy book, made up a son for their god, then tell them that they're wrong. Then Islam came along 600 years later and did something similar!

[Earthling]

Heh, I would agree that there are some atheists who are willfully ignorant of the Bible. However, a broad generalization from this to "the atheists" is laughable as well. I'm not sure what you mean when you write of manufacturing martyrs; would you mind clarifying?

Atheists being ignorant of the Bible I have no problem with, I would expect it. Its only when they start pronouncing it as bullshit and myth in the name of evidence and rational thinking that I have a problem, especially when they can't back it up. Because they can't.

You can find some extensive critiques of the Bible here from people who appear to have a very respectable knowledge of it. One of the more recent that comes to mind is Gawen's examination of the Sermon on the Mount. Why don't you make yourself useful and give us a good Christian rebuttal to at least some of the points that he makes there?

I've read some of it, and it may sound good to an uninformed atheist, but it is just so much intellectual fluff. I can look at the specific link you gave as I haven't seen that particular one yet.

Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

[Laughs] I do actually say that sort of thing in jest when I figure its over. I'm not, as I think it was Asmodean or Stevil speculated in jest a crazy irate fundi pounding on the keyboard. Not any more, since my medication.

I was cracked up by the "death row chaplain" comparison.

[Earthling]

I always feel a bit sorry for the Jews. You Christians stole their god and holy book, made up a son for their god, then tell them that they're wrong. Then Islam came along 600 years later and did something similar!

I'm not a Christian. Remember? In my intro? I have never and will never belong to any organized religion. If you ain't baptized you ain't a Christian. I ain't Christian.

[BullyforBronto]

In my understanding, YHVH also called himself "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh" (I Am that I Am).   

I knew it! Popeye is god.