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Why Do Nice Guys Always Get Screwed Over?

Started by Godless, March 11, 2011, 07:46:20 PM

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Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on September 26, 2011, 05:15:02 AM
I'd probably word it more in the terms of "I have a bit of a crush on you". With the "I like you",

I like this a lot better too; it just sounds more put together and is more direct.

The perfect time is anytime you both have relative privacy...like at one of those parties where you say you both go to (parties are loud so you can speak privately even around other people).  Privacy allows you both to speak honestly without having to worry about what others might think.

MrStakhanovite

It's not that 'Nice guys' get left behind, it's that they never appear confident and assertive, but D-bags do. When you ask someone out, just go for broke and do it without thinking about it. If you over think it, you won't do it, or it'll come out like "I sorta kinda like how cute you are." instead of something like, " I want to take you to this great Thai place Friday night."
Get use to "No" and keeping trying for those hail marys, because sooner or later you are going to get a "Yes".

DeterminedJuliet

"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Godless

Well I'm going to have to wait at least until this weekend because I have two tests and three interviews this week so I'm going to be super busy and I don't want to worry about it too much right now. Should I try to get an answer from her on the spot or should I leave after I tell her and give her a few days to think about it?

MrStakhanovite

On the spot, the more time she has to think, greater the chance she'll say no.

DeterminedJuliet

#95
Quote from: Godless on September 27, 2011, 04:34:27 AM
Well I'm going to have to wait at least until this weekend because I have two tests and three interviews this week so I'm going to be super busy and I don't want to worry about it too much right now. Should I try to get an answer from her on the spot or should I leave after I tell her and give her a few days to think about it?

See how it goes, I'd think. I'd do my best to make my feelings clear, but I wouldn't put her in a position where she feels like she's being presented with an ultimatum. For instance, if you said, "I have a confession to make, I have a crush on you," etc.etc and then said, "so would you be interested in doing something with me? Are you free sometime this week (or whatever)?" she could respond in one of three ways:

1) "No, I'm sorry, I'm not interested in you that way": In which case, you should feel proud because you had the guts to put your cards on the table and you have a resolution to your situation.

2) "Yes, that'd be nice!": In which case, Yipee! Set a time and place!

3) "Oh, I don't know, let me think about it". This is the tricky one. The only real response you can give (without seeming crazy) is "sure, that's no problem, I understand. Let me know". The thing is, what's ACTUALLY going on is one of two things: She really is surprised and she needs to think about it and consider that she might have feelings for you. Or, she already KNOWS that she's not interested in you and she is taking the coward's way out.  From personal experience, a lot of women, especially younger-college aged women, take the coward's way out.

So, if you are left in situation number three, I think the best thing to do is leave the ball in her court. If she genuinely needs some time to sort through her feelings and she realizes that you guys might have some potential, she'll come to you. If she puts things off or keeps saying things like "You're a really nice guy, I just don't know. Maybe. It's hard to say right now". That's her taking the coward's way out and your best bet is to move on. After a week or so, she really should have had time to think things through and if she still seems to be dangling you along, without any real progression, I'd say it's time to let her go.
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Tank

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on September 27, 2011, 05:12:24 AM
Quote from: Godless on September 27, 2011, 04:34:27 AM
Well I'm going to have to wait at least until this weekend because I have two tests and three interviews this week so I'm going to be super busy and I don't want to worry about it too much right now. Should I try to get an answer from her on the spot or should I leave after I tell her and give her a few days to think about it?

See how it goes, I'd think. I'd do my best to make my feelings clear, but I wouldn't put her in a position where she feels like she's being presented with an ultimatum. For instance, if you said, "I have a confession to make, I have a crush on you," etc.etc and then said, "so would you be interested in doing something with me? Are you free sometime this week (or whatever)?" she could respond in one of three ways:

1) "No, I'm sorry, I'm not interested in you that way": In which case, you should feel proud because you had the guts to put your cards on the table and you have a resolution to your situation.

2) "Yes, that'd be nice!": In which case, Yipee! Set a time and place!

3) "Oh, I don't know, let me think about it". This is the tricky one. The only real response you can give (without seeming crazy) is "sure, that's no problem, I understand. Let me know". The thing is, what's ACTUALLY going on is one of two things: She really is surprised and she needs to think about it and consider that she might have feelings for you. Or, she already KNOWS that she's not interested in you and she is taking the coward's way out.  From personal experience, a lot of women, especially younger-college aged women, take the coward's way out.

So, if you are left in situation number three, I think the best thing to do is leave the ball in her court. If she genuinely needs some time to sort through her feelings and she realizes that you guys might have some potential, she'll come to you. If she puts things off or keeps saying things like "You're a really nice guy, I just don't know. Maybe. It's hard to say right now". That's her taking the coward's way out and your best bet is to move on. After a week or so, she should really have had time to think things through and if she still seems to be dangling you along, without any real progression, I'd say it's time to let her go.
This!
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"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Godless

#97
I was thinking of saying something like "I feel like I need this get this off my chest. As you probably already know, I have a bit of a crush on you. I know you said you weren't interested in a relationship. But if you give me a chance, you won't be disappointed. But if you really don't want anything then I'll respect your word and won't bother you about it again."

How does that sound?

Tank

Quote from: Godless on September 29, 2011, 08:49:24 AM
I was thinking of saying something like "I feel like I need this get this off my chest. As you probably already know, I have a bit of a crush on you. I know you said you weren't interested in a relationship. But if you give me a chance, you won't be disappointed. But if you really don't want anything then I'll respect your word and won't bother you about it again."

How does that sound?
Give her a dozen red roses, there's no possibility of saying the wrong thing then.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Godless

Wouldn't that just come across as trying too hard?

Quote from: Tank on September 29, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: Godless on September 29, 2011, 08:49:24 AM
I was thinking of saying something like "I feel like I need this get this off my chest. As you probably already know, I have a bit of a crush on you. I know you said you weren't interested in a relationship. But if you give me a chance, you won't be disappointed. But if you really don't want anything then I'll respect your word and won't bother you about it again."

How does that sound?
Give her a dozen red roses, there's no possibility of saying the wrong thing then.

Tank

Quote from: Godless on September 29, 2011, 10:25:07 AM
Wouldn't that just come across as trying too hard?

Quote from: Tank on September 29, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: Godless on September 29, 2011, 08:49:24 AM
I was thinking of saying something like "I feel like I need this get this off my chest. As you probably already know, I have a bit of a crush on you. I know you said you weren't interested in a relationship. But if you give me a chance, you won't be disappointed. But if you really don't want anything then I'll respect your word and won't bother you about it again."

How does that sound?
Give her a dozen red roses, there's no possibility of saying the wrong thing then.
Possiblly, possibly, but it is completly unambiguious and all you need to do is smile  ;D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Godless

Well, I just talked to her about 15 minutes ago. She said she isn't looking for a relationship because it would be unfair to me since she wouldn't invest the same amount of time and effort. But she seemed really cool about it so it wasn't really that awkward.

Tank

Quote from: Godless on September 30, 2011, 09:38:18 PM
Well, I just talked to her about 15 minutes ago. She said she isn't looking for a relationship because it would be unfair to me since she wouldn't invest the same amount of time and effort. But she seemed really cool about it so it wasn't really that awkward.
:'( Bugger!
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

DeterminedJuliet

Yeah, that sucks  :(. But at least you know now, good for you for doing it.
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

BullyforBronto

Quote from: Godless on September 30, 2011, 09:38:18 PM
Well, I just talked to her about 15 minutes ago. She said she isn't looking for a relationship because it would be unfair to me since she wouldn't invest the same amount of time and effort. But she seemed really cool about it so it wasn't really that awkward.

Bummer. But, now that that's done, you can move on.

My advice: Learn to play guitar. Start a crappy band. Sing about stuff. Play a show or two.
I guarantee you'll meet people, and some of them will most likely be girls. ;)