I have a problem with Evolution

[xSilverPhinx]

Not to mention thinking that anybody wants to keep reading all that preaching is equally annoying. If anybody wanted to read such stuff, they would know where to find it.

I have no interest in theology, never did. I just like to keep things simple and practical.

[McQ]

Since the observer collapses the indeterminate wave of probability, then consciousness has a hand in matter.  Can they be separated?  Since matter is shaped by consciousness, then is it safe to assume that consciousness pre-exists matter or can matter pre-exist consciousness? 

My second problem with evolution is found when considering entropy in information theory.  Since a bit of information can have an expectation of degradation over time, then DNA should not be able to work against this entropy.  How do we explain this when viewing the complexity and unity in purpose when viewing nature?  And yes, I believe we are designed.  Religion aside, how do we explain these very clear paradoxes?

Hah! I've got a bigger problem with evolution. My problem is that freaking evolution has the balls to not have led directly to me as its primary mission. Do you know how much that pisses me off? Here I am, on a planet clearly at the center of a perfect and unchanging universe, and I am born a human, which clearly should be the end product of evolution.

But we're not! That's so bogus. I'm going to go find Charles Darwin's grave and piss on it. It's his fault. I wanted to be the ultimate result of evolution and here I'm just another fucking primate, with barely enough hair to stay warm in the savannas at night. WTF?

I'm writing  my naked ape congressimian too!

[DeterminedJuliet]

Evidence that Superior Ed is putting little to no effort into his posts
http://superiored.blogspot.com/
Large chunks of his crazy-talk are just copy and pasted from his blog.

[xSilverPhinx]

Evidence that Superior Ed is putting little to no effort into his posts
http://superiored.blogspot.com/
Large chunks of his crazy-talk are just copy and pasted from his blog.

Quote mining himself...it is a little odd...

[Recusant]

...congressimian...

Oh, I like that one.

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Evidence that Superior Ed is putting little to no effort into his posts
http://superiored.blogspot.com/
Large chunks of his crazy-talk are just copy and pasted from his blog.

Good eye, DeterminedJuliet.

[Asmodean]

We are a universe of 50 trillion cells.  The design of the parts makes the whole.  All of nature is this pattern of two becoming one.

Here is another nice and fancy and educated-sounding word for you: Microverse. The universe is on a larger scale than us.

And many. Not two. Many parts are required for as complex a machine as a human to function.

The moon and the stars come together to make life on earth.

Wait... The moon..? The one orbiting this planet? I agree with life originally coming from the stars as the basic elements it, as we know it, requires came from that source, but the moon..?

The male and female come together in love to join sperm and egg.  The sperm and egg develop in the womb and are born into the world.

Not really, no. The sperm and the egg have long since morphed when a tiny human is born.

The world is the next womb.  The body is the archetype of the placenta.  If you see this, even somewhat, then go to John 1 and read.  You can be baptized ( a symbol for what it is) into the water.  This is the water of the material world.  You can also find union with the spirit of God and find rebirth in the tree of life above.  Spirit is the prize for faith and finding love for God and others.  The kingdom of God demands this.  You must be born again.  Jesus says these words in John 1 after describing the rebirth process.

Why the fuck would I want to be born again in some tree..? And why would I want to care what some supposed fool god's supposed fool kingdom which you can't even prove exists allows..? I already live in a nice kingdom and am content as a cucumber for it.

If you are blinded by pride, faith is foolishness to you.  1 Corinthians explains this.  Read the Bible for all it's worth.  Humble your mind and the consuming fire (Genesis 3 flaming sword) can cut away the pride.  It protects the tree of life.

There is a difference between pride and contempt.

[Tank]

Since the observer collapses the indeterminate wave of probability, then consciousness has a hand in matter.  {snip}

This first unsupportered assertion appears to underpin your 'problem' with evolution, so shall we start here? Please explain, and support with evidence, your reasoning behind this assertion.

A choice is a bit of information that allows a changed state.  Since information in a physical system at one point in time should determine its state in another part of time, a change to this state that leads to a more complex state of designed purpose should not be possible apart form a conscious choice of intelligence.  This has not been observed anywhere in nature apart form animated life.  Matter simply does not demonstrate this ability.  Theory can be piled on theory to somehow allow for the misplaced concreteness of belief that information will ever form on its own with even simple purpose, but this is simply not a probable outcome apart form conscious effort and design.  On any day of the week, the probability of the information in the Bible accurately describing the universe is equally as improbable.  Yet, we see that it does describe the information in nature from every conceivable aspect, going so far as to tell us what will happen each day of the week to the end of days.

More signature material for you to ponder and repeat.

Crystals.

[Tank]

Steve

The problem you have with evolution is the Christian bullshit that fills your mind. Real scientists will continue to use the ToE because it works, nothing you can do about that sunshine. Nothing I can say or do will change your mind. Maybe when one of your students is saved from a painful death due to a medicine developed by a real scientist, who understands the ToE, you'll start to appreciate the efficacy of living in reality, and not subscribing to a millenia old institutionalised superstition aka Christianity.

Stop the copy-pasta from your blog or I'll ban you as a spammer.

Chris

[Whitney]

If you are blinded by pride, faith is foolishness to you.  1 Corinthians explains this.  Read the Bible for all it's worth.  Humble your mind and the consuming fire (Genesis 3 flaming sword) can cut away the pride.  It protects the tree of life. 

Fair warning....the rules of this forum very clearly state that preaching is not allowed...The above is preaching.   We don't accept the bible as a holy text and neither does most of the world so it's not an objective source.  If you want to discuss a topic you are gong to have to support your views with evidence and reason.  If this is not possible for you to do then you'll be banned in order to keep the forum atmosphere intact.

[Asmodean]

to keep the forum atmosphere intact.

Asmodean. he slept, woke up and is now ready for another round of friendly-seeming 

[McQ]

...and please excuse my blast of satire. I felt that it fit in with the general craziness of the thread. But I did at least coin a new term which at least one person liked, so it wasn't all wasted.

[SuperiorEd]

Evidence that Superior Ed is putting little to no effort into his posts
http://superiored.blogspot.com/
Large chunks of his crazy-talk are just copy and pasted from his blog.

I can only say that they are my words and my thoughts.  They are original to me and reflections of what I have read and pondered.  Is there a problem with this?

[SuperiorEd]

Since the observer collapses the indeterminate wave of probability, then consciousness has a hand in matter.  {snip}

This first unsupportered assertion appears to underpin your 'problem' with evolution, so shall we start here? Please explain, and support with evidence, your reasoning behind this assertion.

A choice is a bit of information that allows a changed state.  Since information in a physical system at one point in time should determine its state in another part of time, a change to this state that leads to a more complex state of designed purpose should not be possible apart form a conscious choice of intelligence.  This has not been observed anywhere in nature apart form animated life.  Matter simply does not demonstrate this ability.  Theory can be piled on theory to somehow allow for the misplaced concreteness of belief that information will ever form on its own with even simple purpose, but this is simply not a probable outcome apart form conscious effort and design.  On any day of the week, the probability of the information in the Bible accurately describing the universe is equally as improbable.  Yet, we see that it does describe the information in nature from every conceivable aspect, going so far as to tell us what will happen each day of the week to the end of days.

More signature material for you to ponder and repeat.

Crystals.

Entropy alone creates crystals.  We are speaking of entropy in information.  Can you provide examples from a credible source that crystals are an example of a complex state evolving to living matter?

[xSilverPhinx]

Is there any real example of entropy in information in the real physical world that doesn't involve man-made things?

[Tank]

Since the observer collapses the indeterminate wave of probability, then consciousness has a hand in matter.  {snip}

This first unsupportered assertion appears to underpin your 'problem' with evolution, so shall we start here? Please explain, and support with evidence, your reasoning behind this assertion.

A choice is a bit of information that allows a changed state.  Since information in a physical system at one point in time should determine its state in another part of time, a change to this state that leads to a more complex state of designed purpose should not be possible apart form a conscious choice of intelligence.  This has not been observed anywhere in nature apart form animated life.  Matter simply does not demonstrate this ability.  Theory can be piled on theory to somehow allow for the misplaced concreteness of belief that information will ever form on its own with even simple purpose, but this is simply not a probable outcome apart form conscious effort and design.  On any day of the week, the probability of the information in the Bible accurately describing the universe is equally as improbable.  Yet, we see that it does describe the information in nature from every conceivable aspect, going so far as to tell us what will happen each day of the week to the end of days.

More signature material for you to ponder and repeat.

Crystals.

Entropy alone creates crystals.  We are speaking of entropy in information.  Can you provide examples from a credible source that crystals are an example of a complex state evolving to living matter?

Really? How?