I have a problem with Evolution

[Happy Forever]

Since the observer collapses the indeterminate wave of probability, then consciousness has a hand in matter.  Can they be separated?  Since matter is shaped by consciousness, then is it safe to assume that consciousness pre-exists matter or can matter pre-exist consciousness?  

My second problem with evolution is found when considering entropy in information theory.  Since a bit of information can have an expectation of degradation over time, then DNA should not be able to work against this entropy.  How do we explain this when viewing the complexity and unity in purpose when viewing nature?  And yes, I believe we are designed.  Religion aside, how do we explain these very clear paradoxes?

Very logical question.

May I reask them in different clearer way?

How can  inanimate create and animate cannot create?

How birth and death are interpreted in evolution and they are a clear evidence of its fallacy?


I hope it is quite clear now.

[Tank]

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How can  inanimate creates and animate cannot?

How birth and death interpreted in evolution and they are a clear evidence of its fallacy?

Sorry but neither of these statements make any sense in english 

[OldGit]

I don't understand any of this.  Is it because:

a) I'm an old fart,
b) Science is very complicated,
c) The whole question is a complete load of crap?

Just asking.

[Whitney]

c) The whole question is a complete load of crap?

That's basically the issue...fundamentalist creationists like to try to claim that evolution conflicts with the 2nd law of thermodynamics:  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo.html  Anyone who researches it from non-creationist sources will quickly find out that is not true.

Well, and his questions are written using wording that I don't think is scientific....such as "information theory."

[Asmodean]

How can  inanimate create and animate cannot create?

Matter-energy transition for creation of either. Division or addition may also be used as a tool of creation, but then the overall amount of matter and/or energy is unchanged, just split or morphed. Animate objects, to the best of my knowledge, only use the last two methods, by piling on parts and/or dividing a whole

How birth and death are interpreted in evolution and they are a clear evidence of its fallacy?

They are an essential part of evolution of multicelled organisms.

[Stevil]

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How can  inanimate creates and animate cannot?

How birth and death interpreted in evolution and they are a clear evidence of its fallacy?

Sorry but neither of these statements make any sense in english 

Bingo.
HappyForever has quite accurately translated the original post. It is the OP that makes no sense what so ever.
In my opinion the poster is a troll.

[SuperiorEd]

Since the observer collapses the indeterminate wave of probability, then consciousness has a hand in matter.  {snip}

This first unsupportered assertion appears to underpin your 'problem' with evolution, so shall we start here? Please explain, and support with evidence, your reasoning behind this assertion.

A choice is a bit of information that allows a changed state.  Since information in a physical system at one point in time should determine its state in another part of time, a change to this state that leads to a more complex state of designed purpose should not be possible apart form a conscious choice of intelligence.  This has not been observed anywhere in nature apart form animated life.  Matter simply does not demonstrate this ability.  Theory can be piled on theory to somehow allow for the misplaced concreteness of belief that information will ever form on its own with even simple purpose, but this is simply not a probable outcome apart form conscious effort and design.  On any day of the week, the probability of the information in the Bible accurately describing the universe is equally as improbable.  Yet, we see that it does describe the information in nature from every conceivable aspect, going so far as to tell us what will happen each day of the week to the end of days.

More signature material for you to ponder and repeat.

 

[SuperiorEd]

c) The whole question is a complete load of crap?

That's basically the issue...fundamentalist creationists like to try to claim that evolution conflicts with the 2nd law of thermodynamics:  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo.html  Anyone who researches it from non-creationist sources will quickly find out that is not true.

Well, and his questions are written using wording that I don't think is scientific....such as "information theory."

You are confused.  I was referring to entropy in information.  Different subject altogether.  Read the thread.

[DeterminedJuliet]

Since the observer collapses the indeterminate wave of probability, then consciousness has a hand in matter.  {snip}

This first unsupportered assertion appears to underpin your 'problem' with evolution, so shall we start here? Please explain, and support with evidence, your reasoning behind this assertion.

A choice is a bit of information that allows a changed state.  Since information in a physical system at one point in time should determine its state in another part of time, a change to this state that leads to a more complex state of designed purpose should not be possible apart form a conscious choice of intelligence.  This has not been observed anywhere in nature apart form animated life.  Matter simply does not demonstrate this ability.  Theory can be piled on theory to somehow allow for the misplaced concreteness of belief that information will ever form on its own with even simple purpose, but this is simply not a probable outcome apart form conscious effort and design.  On any day of the week, the probability of the information in the Bible accurately describing the universe is equally as improbable.  Yet, we see that it does describe the information in nature from every conceivable aspect, going so far as to tell us what will happen each day of the week to the end of days.

More signature material for you to ponder and repeat.

 

Far too lengthy for a signature.

[Whitney]

c) The whole question is a complete load of crap?

That's basically the issue...fundamentalist creationists like to try to claim that evolution conflicts with the 2nd law of thermodynamics:  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo.html  Anyone who researches it from non-creationist sources will quickly find out that is not true.

Well, and his questions are written using wording that I don't think is scientific....such as "information theory."

You are confused.  I was referring to entropy in information.  Different subject altogether.  Read the thread.

If it's a different subject then why do you think it means evolution is wrong?

[SuperiorEd]

I don't understand any of this.  Is it because:

a) I'm an old fart,
b) Science is very complicated,
c) The whole question is a complete load of crap?

Just asking.

I can simplify.  What is the sound of one hand clapping?  ...........................

The sound of one hand clapping is the sound of two hands coming together.  It is not possible for there to be two observers apart form the first.  Everything is in uniform relationship to everything else.  Apart from the first observer, there cannot be a second.  Where did the first come from?  Ask yourself this question and you have the answer.  You are the first observer.  We all are.  The veil keeps us from knowing.  Faith is finding the first observer is all of us.  We are one, yet we are many by the division of opposites in infinity.  God first separated the light from the darkness.  Does this make me God?  No.  We are all part of the one God.  Pride says that you are above the observer.  Is this possible if you are the first observer?  Pride separates form God.  God allows free will and if you are part of him that does not find unity with the whole, you are removed.  Infinity is separating the darkness form the light as we speak.  We should follow God's lead.  

Bring this back to one God before there were others to observe.  Infinity at rest is creation in motion.  Creation at rest is infinity creating.  The Hebrews see time as a circle.  

[Whitney]

SuperiorEd, that made absolutely no sense at all....maybe instead of trying to sound fancy (as that seems to be your goal) you should just focus on stating your views in simple conversational English.

[xSilverPhinx]

Let me see if I get what you're saying...so we're just one hand who thinks it sees or observes the other hand? ??? The hand which needs faith...why does it need faith?

[SuperiorEd]

Let me see if I get what you're saying...so we're just one hand who thinks it sees or observes the other hand? ??? The hand which needs faith...why does it need faith?

It does not need faith.  We need faith to live apart form the fact of one.  For there to be two, one must have a separate observer.  For the observer to be different, there must be a lacking of understanding or the second would simply be the first again.  How can God be infinity at rest?  We are in his creation in movement collapsing infinity by choice.  The choice takes shape from the patters in infinity.  The universe is this played over and over to infinity.  We are not God, we are part of God.  A cell in my body has a function to the whole, yet it would be silly for the cell to say it is me.  It is part of me.  We am an image of God.  We are a universe of 50 trillion cells.  The design of the parts makes the whole.  All of nature is this pattern of two becoming one.

The moon and the stars come together to make life on earth.  The male and female come together in love to join sperm and egg.  The sperm and egg develop in the womb and are born into the world.  The world is the next womb.  The body is the archetype of the placenta.  If you see this, even somewhat, then go to John 1 and read.  You can be baptized ( a symbol for what it is) into the water.  This is the water of the material world.  You can also find union with the spirit of God and find rebirth in the tree of life above.  Spirit is the prize for faith and finding love for God and others.  The kingdom of God demands this.  You must be born again.  Jesus says these words in John 1 after describing the rebirth process.

If you are blinded by pride, faith is foolishness to you.  1 Corinthians explains this.  Read the Bible for all it's worth.  Humble your mind and the consuming fire (Genesis 3 flaming sword) can cut away the pride.  It protects the tree of life. 

[DeterminedJuliet]

Can this guy be banned for preaching yet? He obviously has no interest in actually explaining his position or communicating in a helpful manner.
Being told that we don't believe what he believes because we're "prideful" is pretty irksome.

EDIT: Can I also reiterate the irony in someone with the username "SuperiorEd" finger pointing about pride?