God cannot exist...sue me!

[TheJackel]

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Let's lay out why Omniscience is BS.. Or many other supposed Omni attributes are BS.

unfortunately for Christians, their GOD is literally impossible to exist. I can just simply crush the entire concept using just basic information theory. We can just take a moment to address the Fount of Knowledge:

St John of Damascus, The Fount of Knowledge:

    Abstract 1:
    "The uncreate, the unoriginate, the immortal, the bound- less, the eternal, the immaterial, the good, the creative, the just, the enlightening, the unchangeable, the passionless, the uncircumscribed, the uncontained, the unlimited, the indefi- nable, the invisible, the inconceivable, the wanting nothing, the having absolute power and authority, the life-giving, the almighty, the infinitely powerful, the sanctifying and com- municating, the containing and sustaining all things, and the providing for all all these and the like He possesses by His nature. They are not received from any other source; on the contrary, it is His nature that communicates all good to His own creatures in accordance with the capacity of each."

    Abstract 2:
    "And yet again, there is His knowing of all things by a simple act of knowing. And there is His distinctly seeing with His divine, all-seeing, and immaterial eye all things at once"

       1. Omniscient
       2. Boundless
       3. Unlimited
       4. Uncontained
       5. The containing and sustaining of all things
       6. Omnipresent

Thus it can be said that such an argument self-collapses in every area of the supposed attributes given when anyone of them is taken out of the equation by another conflicting attribute, or thing. Especially in the case or state of absolute Omniscience. So here is what it boils down to under information theory:

* I = reference to all the information that gives I an Identity. It's the entire essences of "I am".

So let's see where this entire GOD concept completely falls apart. Especially when concerning "Omniscience".

1) A boundless GOD? Can a boundless GOD be boundless if you are to claim all of us to separate individuals? What boundaries lie between GOD being me, and not being me? If he is uncontained then what separates him from me? If he's unlimited, what limits define GOD apart from who I am?.. If he is omnipresent, where do I exist? If he contains and sustains all things, would he not be existence itself? Thus am I, and everyone else here not the conscious representations of god, or GOD himself?

2) The Christian GOD concept can only ever at best describe existence itself as a whole. You may as well be worshiping yourself.

3) Even solipsism will fail under information theory because consciousness can not exist without cause! Consciousness can not exist without first a base of inquiry that can support it. Thus consciousness requires information, with a system to which has feedback in order to achieve a function of observation.

A: There can be no choice, or decision made without information
B: There can be no consciousness or awareness without information
C: One can not have knowledge without information
D: One can not do anything without information
E: One can not exist without informational value
F: One can not think without information
G: One can not even know one's self exists without information
H: One can not reply, respond, or react without information
I: One can not convey, send, or express a message without information
J: There can be no morals, ethics, or laws without information
K: One can not have or express emotions, or feelings without information
L: One can not have experiences, or experience anything at all without information
M: One can not have a place to exist in order to be existent without information
N: One can not Create, or Design anything without information
O: One can not have the ability to process things without information
P: Intelligence can not exist without information to apply
Q: No system, or process can exist without information
R: Cause and effect can not exist without information

There are 3 fundamental laws that govern cause and effect, information, and energy. These same 3 laws govern consciousness, morals, ethics, laws, emotions, and feelings. So what are they?

POSITIVE
NEGATIVE
NEUTRAL

These are not only the base laws of existence, they are the attributes to everything, and everything we know of is made of energy. thus it's considered under information theory that Energy =/= information as both substance and value. They are two sides of the same coin! And their 3 fundamental properties/attributes/laws are the cause of all causation. Information and energy are thus simply stated as "Cause".

There can only ever be a positive, negative, or neutral;

Action
Reaction
Process
Mathematical equation
Answer
Choice
Decision
Intent
Purpose
Moral
Ethic
Emotion
Feeling
Piece of information
State
Function
Ability
Response
System
Feedback
Opinion
Phenomenon
Condition
Ability
Power
Electric Charge
Selection
Adaptation
Mutation
Transformation
Position
Point of view
Observation
Sensation
Perception
Or the relativity of anything above

So when we look up in the sky, and at existence we can say "Dude, I am you!", I can comprehend you!.

[AnimatedDirt]

Assuming we have the free will to make our own choices...I won't dispute that. An omniscient god knows how this universe will play out till it's end, are you going to tell me that it doesn't include whether or not you'll choose to believe in that god? What is god-given free will in that sort of deterministic universe?

If he already knows what you're going to choose before you choose it but still want to punish you (send you to hell) for a choice that he already knows you're going to make before you're even born, how is he omnibenevolent?  

The whole argument would make more sense in the quantum probalistic frame where paralel universes  diverge after every probable event, but still...how far does god's omniscience go? The word has quite an absolute meaning - god knows everything, and that includes everything.

It's quite simple... We have free will and make our own choices as you do not dispute.

[Davin]

It's quite simple... We have free will and make our own choices as you do not dispute.

At least 14 billion years ago god knew I would drink a Coke this morning, would it have been possible for me to not drink a Coke?

[AnimatedDirt]

It's quite simple... We have free will and make our own choices as you do not dispute.

At least 14 billion years ago god knew I would drink a Coke this morning, would it have been possible for me to not drink a Coke?

Yes it is possible you could've drank a Pepsi, or a Mountain Dew, a Rock Star... but YOU CHOSE to drink a Coke.

[Davin]

It's quite simple... We have free will and make our own choices as you do not dispute.

At least 14 billion years ago god knew I would drink a Coke this morning, would it have been possible for me to not drink a Coke?

Yes it is possible you could've drank a Pepsi, or a Mountain Dew, a Rock Star... but YOU CHOSE to drink a Coke.

So let's say god knew I would drink a Coke, but then I chose to just drink water.

[AnimatedDirt]

So let's say god knew I would drink a Coke, but then I chose to just drink water.

God would know you pondered Coke, but drank water.  It's not rocket science.

[Davin]

So let's say god knew I would drink a Coke, but then I chose to just drink water.

God would know you pondered Coke, but drank water.  It's not rocket science.

So god knew I would drink a Coke, but was wrong because I chose to drink water?

[AnimatedDirt]

So let's say god knew I would drink a Coke, but then I chose to just drink water.

God would know you pondered Coke, but drank water.  It's not rocket science.

So god knew I would drink a Coke, but was wrong because I chose to drink water?

Did you not read my reply?  God simply knows what YOUR CHOICE is.

[Davin]

God would know you pondered Coke, but drank water.  It's not rocket science.

So god knew I would drink a Coke, but was wrong because I chose to drink water?

Did you not read my reply?  God simply knows what YOUR CHOICE is.

And I can't "choose" anything else.

[AnimatedDirt]

And I can't "choose" anything else.

You can choose whatever you're little heart desires.  It's YOUR CHOICE.

[xSilverPhinx]

Did you not read my reply?  God simply knows what YOUR CHOICE is.

So an omnibenelovant god already knows some people will choose not to beleive in them and already has a special place reserved for those people?

Do you see where the problem is?


Does not compute! Does not compute! Does not compute!

It'n not about whether we have choices in the matter, it's about the possibility of an omnibelevolant, omnipresent and omniscient god existing.

[Davin]

And I can't "choose" anything else.

You can choose whatever you're little heart desires.  It's YOUR CHOICE.

Then I can choose what god doesn't know I'll choose.

[AnimatedDirt]

And I can't "choose" anything else.

You can choose whatever you're little heart desires.  It's YOUR CHOICE.

Then I can choose what god doesn't know I'll choose.

You can choose whatever your heart desires to choose.  It's YOUR CHOICE.

[TheJackel]

Assuming we have the free will to make our own choices...I won't dispute that. An omniscient god knows how this universe will play out till it's end, are you going to tell me that it doesn't include whether or not you'll choose to believe in that god? What is god-given free will in that sort of deterministic universe?

If he already knows what you're going to choose before you choose it but still want to punish you (send you to hell) for a choice that he already knows you're going to make before you're even born, how is he omnibenevolent?  

The whole argument would make more sense in the quantum probalistic frame where paralel universes  diverge after every probable event, but still...how far does god's omniscience go? The word has quite an absolute meaning - god knows everything, and that includes everything.

It's quite simple... We have free will and make our own choices as you do not dispute.

You are attempting to place limits on an Omniscient, boundless, limitless, uncontained, container and sustainer of all things things GOD.. Do you not compute the problem with your argument? You clearly do not comprehend the definition of Omniscience.. It's like you are attempting to invent your own limits and rules to your GOD, and invent your own definition of Omniscience to mean something other than what they are clearly being defined as. Do you even understand that such a GOD could only ever at best be the entire sum total of existence itself?   You are so hung up on the argument of "Choice" that you completely ignore addressing the problem, if fact, you intentionally ignore the very heart of the argument as if it doesn't exist.

[AnimatedDirt]

You are attempting to place limits on an Omniscient, boundless, limitless, uncontained, container and sustainer of all things things GOD.. Do you not compute the problem with your argument? You clearly do not comprehend the definition of Omniscience.. It's like you are attempting to invent your own limits and rules to your GOD, and invent your own definition of Omniscience to mean something other than what they are clearly being defined as. Do you even understand that such a GOD could only ever at best be the entire sum total of existence itself?   You are so hung up on the argument of "Choice" that you completely ignore addressing the problem, if fact, you intentionally ignore the very heart of the argument as if it doesn't exist.

Maybe, because I'm a believer and thus of inferior intelligence, you should clarify Omniscience for me.  (sigh)