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Started by defendor, February 17, 2011, 09:47:07 PM

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defendor

#45
February 23, 2011, 04:28:55 PM Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 04:51:10 AM by defendor
If energy is only a term describe for the ability to do work, then it wouldn't exist other than a conceptual idea to describe work after it is done.  So either energy exists and is the entity behind the work or it is merely a term for work after work has been completed to describe what has been done.

Btw what is work?

Just curious, what is the extent of your education in science?

Yes I am more 'calvinistic' but that's only what I've gotten from reading the scriptures.  If my philosophies disagree with the bible, it is not the Bible that is wrong but me.
I believe to understand Augustine

Einstein - You can talk about the ethical foundation of science, but you can't talk about the scientific foundation of ethics

C.S. Lewis

If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning. If there were no light in the universe, thus no creatures

Tank

#46
February 23, 2011, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: "defendor"So if you were never a Christian, don't you think you could benefit from learning what it is, so you know exactly what it is you are disagreeing with?
Christianity; an institutionalised superstition based on the unproven 'God' hypothesis.  What more does one need to know to dismiss Christianity?

See also:
Islam; an institutionalised superstition based on the unproven 'God' hypothesis.
Judaism; an institutionalised superstition based on the unproven 'God' hypothesis.
Sikhism; an institutionalised superstition based on the unproven 'God' hypothesis.
Hinduism; an institutionalised superstition based on the unproven 'God' hypothesis.
Etc.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

defendor

#47
February 24, 2011, 04:44:25 AM
Based on what? Your perception or truth?
I believe to understand Augustine

Einstein - You can talk about the ethical foundation of science, but you can't talk about the scientific foundation of ethics

C.S. Lewis

If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning. If there were no light in the universe, thus no creatures

Tank

#48
February 24, 2011, 06:45:22 AM
Quote from: "defendor"Based on what? Your perception or truth?
You get the point, stop squirming. Your world view is a discredited scam and you're a victim of that scam, you just haven't worked it out yet. Sorry to be blunt.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

AnimatedDirt

#49
February 24, 2011, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: "Tank"You get the point, stop squirming. Your world view is a discredited scam and you're a victim of that scam, you just haven't worked it out yet. Sorry to be blunt.
World View: Atheism - A standardized pseudo system based on the unproven "no god" hypothesis.

Your worldview is also a discredited scam.

Tank

#50
February 24, 2011, 04:37:47 PM
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
Quote from: "Tank"You get the point, stop squirming. Your world view is a discredited scam and you're a victim of that scam, you just haven't worked it out yet. Sorry to be blunt.
World View: Atheism - A standardized pseudo system based on the unproven "no god" hypothesis.

Your worldview is also a discredited scam.




Oh sorry, you were serious!

If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

AnimatedDirt

#51
February 24, 2011, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: "Tank"Oh sorry, you were serious!
No seriousness needed.

defendor

#52
February 28, 2011, 12:50:47 AM
Its kinda funny to me.  There is no overwhelming evidence to an argument, yet there is such an appeasement in mocking.  

Jesus did say "the world hated me first"

To discredit Christianity, you would have to know it right?
I believe to understand Augustine

Einstein - You can talk about the ethical foundation of science, but you can't talk about the scientific foundation of ethics

C.S. Lewis

If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning. If there were no light in the universe, thus no creatures

LegendarySandwich

#53
February 28, 2011, 03:29:03 AM
Quote from: "defendor"Its kinda funny to me.  There is no overwhelming evidence to an argument, yet there is such an appeasement in mocking.  

Jesus did say "the world hated me first"

To discredit Christianity, you would have to know it right?
Defendor, have you ever been an atheist?

If not, how can you attack our position? Don't you need to experience something first hand before you disagree with it?

defendor

#54
February 28, 2011, 05:45:01 AM
Everyone is born an atheist.  It's just how long it takes for God to reveal himself.
I believe to understand Augustine

Einstein - You can talk about the ethical foundation of science, but you can't talk about the scientific foundation of ethics

C.S. Lewis

If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning. If there were no light in the universe, thus no creatures

DirtyLeo

#55
February 28, 2011, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: "defendor"Everyone is born an atheist.  It's just how long it takes for God to reveal himself.

Well... All I need is that scientific evidence to believe in your god. But I presume you used the "To make known by supernatural or divine means" definition of "to reveal".

Technically it is true that we are born atheist but probably with strong predispositions to believe in a higher supernatural power that are byproducts of our evolutionary traits that have favoured our survival. But the reality of this world is that most of us were born into a more-or-less religious family. We unlearned all that non-sense by applying common sense and scientific reasoning.
Best Served Cold - Joe Abercrombie
* "Often, the last thing men believe is the truth."
* "Right y'are! I must be the stupidest bastard in the Circle of the World, er? It's a wonder I can hold my own shit in without paying mind to my arse every minute."
Under Heaven by Guy Gavriel Kay
* "We

AnimatedDirt

#56
February 28, 2011, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: "DirtyLeo"Technically it is true that we are born atheist but probably with strong predispositions to believe in a higher supernatural power that are byproducts of our evolutionary traits that have favoured our survival. But the reality of this world is that most of us were born into a more-or-less religious family. We unlearned all that non-sense by applying common sense and scientific reasoning.
Wow!  Any Atheist have any problem with this?  I may use this point.

DirtyLeo

#57
February 28, 2011, 04:36:34 PM
To use Dawkins' analogy, it's like a moth's flying into the flame doesn't prove its being suicidal. Its evolution dictates that it uses a distant light source, a constant for its purposes, for navigation but it spirals into its death when faced with a close light source, such as a candle. It is a mis-firing of a natural behaviour that is important for the survival of its species.
Probably masturbation would go into the same category.
I hope my meaning is clearer now, in case there was a doubt.


Edit: typo
Best Served Cold - Joe Abercrombie
* "Often, the last thing men believe is the truth."
* "Right y'are! I must be the stupidest bastard in the Circle of the World, er? It's a wonder I can hold my own shit in without paying mind to my arse every minute."
Under Heaven by Guy Gavriel Kay
* "We

AnimatedDirt

#58
February 28, 2011, 05:32:22 PM
Quote from: "DirtyLeo"To use Dawkins' analogy, it's like a moth's flying into the flame doesn't prove its being suicidal. Its evolution dictates that it uses a distant light source, a constant for its purposes, for navigation but it spirals into its death when faced with a close light source, such as a candle. It is a mis-firing of a natural behaviour that is important for the survival of its species.
How many more millions of years would you think it will take for evolution to teach the moth the difference between good light and a suicide?

Davin

#59
February 28, 2011, 05:35:41 PM
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
Quote from: "DirtyLeo"To use Dawkins' analogy, it's like a moth's flying into the flame doesn't prove its being suicidal. Its evolution dictates that it uses a distant light source, a constant for its purposes, for navigation but it spirals into its death when faced with a close light source, such as a candle. It is a mis-firing of a natural behaviour that is important for the survival of its species.
How many more millions of years would you think it will take for evolution to teach the moth the difference between good light and a suicide?
A moth doesn't live for millions of years. And evolution does not teach anything to anything.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.
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