Theists now say Information is fiction? O.o

[TheJackel]

I recently had a discussion with a person on how could a god exist or be conscious without information.. And what I got as a reply actually shocked me :O

"Like all religious ideas, information theory makes no testable claims.  It is therefore a complete fiction!"

His history keeps repeating the following 36 arguments for gods existence:

Try this summary from Rebecca Goldstein:  (I am reading her book)

 Please go to her website (or buy her book) to see the destruction of each of these arguments... AWSOME!
http://www.randomhouse.com/pantheon/authors/goldstein/
36 arguments
for the existence of god
1. The Cosmological Argument
2. The Ontological Argument
3. The Argument from Design
A. The Classical Teleological Argument
B. The Argument from Irreducible Complexity
C. The Argument from the Paucity of Benign Mutations
D. The Argument from the Original Replicator
4. The Argument from the Big Bang
5. The Argument from the Fine-Tuning of Physical Constants
6. The Argument from the Beauty of Physical Laws
7. The Argument from Cosmic Coincidences
8. The Argument from Personal Coincidences
9. The Argument from Answered Prayers
10. The Argument from a Wonderful Life
11. The Argument from Miracles
12. The Argument from the Hard Problem of Consciousness
13. The Argument from the Improbable Self
14. The Argument from Survival After Death
15. The Argument from the Inconceivability of Personal Annihilation
16. The Argument from Moral Truth
17. The Argument from Altruism
18. The Argument from Free Will
19. The Argument from Personal Purpose
20. The Argument from the Intolerability of Insignificance
21. The Argument from the Consensus of Humanity
22. The Argument from the Consensus of Mystics
23. The Argument from Holy Books
24. The Argument from Perfect Justice
25. The Argument from Suffering
26. The Argument from the Survival of the Jews
27. The Argument from the Upward Curve of History
28. The Argument from Prodigious Genius
29. The Argument from Human Knowledge of Infinity
30. The Argument from Mathematical Reality
31. The Argument from Decision Theory (Pascal’s Wager)
32. The Argument from Pragmatism (William James’s Leap of Faith)
33. The Argument from the Unreasonableness of Reason
34. The Argument from Sublimity
35. The Argument from the Intelligibility of the Universe
(Spinoza’s God)
36. The Argument from the Abundance of Arguments

I then got mauled by ad hom attacks over my Wiki contribution to Omniscience ..

Your points are incoherent and made up of your own fictional definition of how the world works.  Are you a homeopath or psychic healer or some such fraud?  The world wants to know. Thanks for summarizing you articles.  This will save me the time and illness I would experience at actually having to read them.

O.o

[ForTheLoveOfAll]

-Sighs-

Theist arguments are like broken records playing the worst kind of music.

These people really wont listen to reason. I got out before it was too late. Hopefully this new generation of leaders wont be so.. indoctrinated. (Fat chance. Big hope.)

[Stevil]

I am not really sure what you mean when you talk about information and information theory.

To me information is conceptual and is not the basis of existence. It is important for sure, e.g. how does DNA come to describe how to build a living entity? how does one think without information. But information is not a substance, its a pattern of organised substance (given that everything in existence is substance).

An intelligent being (including gods) needs to have information to be intelligent. without information we would be naiive.
It goes beyond that though. The intelligent being needs to have the ability to derive knowledge from information to be intelligent. Just collecting organised data does not make something intelligent, one has to make sence of the information, and be able to derive a level of understanding from it.