The purpose of life

[defendor]

There is no such thing as objective meaning.

I would like to rehash this, you say there is no such thing as objective meaning, but doesn't this statement have objective meaning?

[LegendarySandwich]

There is no such thing as objective meaning.

I would like to rehash this, you say there is no such thing as objective meaning, but doesn't this statement have objective meaning?

No. Notice how I never said that there are no objective facts.

[Whitney]

I really don't care if it has an ultimate meaning or not nor do I see why I would need to apply meaning in order to enjoy stuff.  I'm not sure how to make that more clear.

So what do you mean by "enjoyment"...? Things that are meaningless that appeal to you (who is meaningless)  I don't see the logic in why or how you place such value on things of this nature (that are meaningless)?

I'm not claiming that the emotions involved in enjoying something are logical.

[defendor]

defendor, do me a quick favor

Please define objective and subjective.

I think we are not using them in the same way and these terms typically have to be taught in beginner philosophy class due to how often people have trouble with them.

Objective-absolute, inalienable, unbiased, that, regardless of perception, is in fact existent and the basis of perception
"there is one truth and many perceptions"

Subjective- individualistic perception of a base reality; relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.

so subjectiveness is based on the existence of an objective reality

so for something to be subjective, it has to a perception of an objective reality.  So when you say you are subjective, and there is no objectivity in life, what you really are saying is that, your perception is the only thing that is objective. Thus the essence of your philosophy is just many "objective" perceptions claiming there is no truth (assuming that the thought "there is no truth", is in fact true)

[defendor]

I'm not claiming that the emotions involved in enjoying something are logical.

so if the essence of enjoyment supersedes logic, we cannot use rational logic to diagnose what enjoyment really is then..?

[defendor]

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No. Notice how I never said that there are no objective facts.[quote/]

My argument will radically change, isn't that an objective fact?

[defendor]

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No. Notice how I never said that there are no objective facts.[quote/]

My argument will radically change, isn't that an objective fact?

[LegendarySandwich]

Defendor, the essence of your argument is that beings with no objective value cannot create subjective value. This is false.

[defendor]

Defendor, the essence of your argument is that beings with no objective value cannot create subjective value. This is false.

on what basis is that false?

[Stevil]

I'll make it short, why? Why do you value things that (according to your world view) have no value?

My world view is that of an Atheist
Lack a belief in a god or gods.

Please explain how this means people and animals have no value to me?
You are sounding very much like a troll here.

[LegendarySandwich]

Defendor, the essence of your argument is that beings with no objective value cannot create subjective value. This is false.

on what basis is that false?

On what basis is it true?

[LegendarySandwich]

Subjective- individualistic perception of a base reality; relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.

so subjectiveness is based on the existence of an objective reality

so for something to be subjective, it has to a perception of an objective reality.

...According to one definition.

So when you say you are subjective, and there is no objectivity in life,

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE FUCKING SAYING.

what you really are saying is that, your perception is the only thing that is objective. Thus the essence of your philosophy is just many "objective" perceptions claiming there is no truth (assuming that the thought "there is no truth", is in fact true)

No.

[Whitney]

Subjective- individualistic perception of a base reality; relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.

ok, ya I thought there was probably a definition problem here.

subjective

    That which depends upon the personal or individual, especially whereâ€"in contrast with the objectiveâ€"it is supposed to be an arbitrary expression of private taste.

http://www.philosophypages.com/dy/s9.htm#subj

^that is what subjective means

and for further clarity:

objective / subjective

    Distinction between propositions or judgments about the way things are and those about how people think or feel about them. The truth of objective claims is presumed to be entirely independent of the merely personal concerns reflected in subjective expressions, even though is difficult to draw the distinction precisely. Thus, for example: "Spinach is green" is objective, while "I like spinach" is subjective. "Seventy-three percent of people in Houston don't like spinach," however, seems to be an objective claim about certain subjects.

    The legitimacy of this distinction is open to serious question, since it is unclear whether (and how) any knowing subject can achieve genuine objectivity. Nevertheless, because objective truth is supposed to carry undeniable persuasive force, exaggerated claims of objectivity have often been used as tools of intellectual and social oppression.

http://www.philosophypages.com/dy/o.htm#obje

[Tank]

I smell troll.

I smell something far more serious. Cultists work by undermining their potential victim's self worth. They reduce the individual's ego to the point where they have no confident world view. At this point they explain that the victim is not worthless, far from it, the cult values them and by becoming a cult member their life has meaning and worth. It's a psychological manipulations technique as old as the hills. By denying an individual's existance any intrinsic meaning the cultist can substitute their own meaning into the victims world view.

[Asmodean]

I smell troll.

I smell something far more serious. Cultists work by undermining their potential victim's self worth. They reduce the individual's ego to the point where they have no confident world view. At this point they explain that the victim is not worthless, far from it, the cult values them and by becoming a cult member their life has meaning and worth. It's a psychological manipulations technique as old as the hills. By denying an individual's existance any intrinsic meaning the cultist can substitute their own meaning into the victims world view.

Step two: explosive underware
Step three: Death and Glory.