Veridican Creed of Salvation

[ThinkAnarchy]

If you've realized that walking the walk is just as or more important than talking the talk, I'd say you've got one up on others who pay their ideas lip service, but don't back those words up with action. Good stuff...

I second this sentiment.

[McQ]

Isn't banning him exactly what he wants? Personally I think this guy should get the same treatment as the liar for Jesus instead of a ban. If he ramains a troll and douche (he will) then it becomes open season. Change his name, signature, etc... Mock him, make jokes about him, don't take him seriously (how could anyone, anyway?) but maybe he'll just run off on his own then and not get that weird satisfaction that he seems to enjoy from getting himself booted off of our forums.

But I'm no mod and wouldn't want to be. But if anyone is worthy of getting a no rules mockfest against him, I think it might be ol' eddy boy.

I understand where you're coming from here. I do. It's tempting to let this go that way. But one of the things that has helped make HAF a bit nicer over the long haul, like it or not, has been moderating a little bit more strictly than elsewhere. I don't love doing it, but it's necessary, or else, as Stevil mentioned, we are just like Raving Atheist.

I've been concerned, and have mentioned it to the other mods, that we've been letting too much of it go on recently. In other threads, I'm trying to keep the name calling down and even worthless threads themselves from being created. It's not popular.

I'll bring up your point with the other mods anyway, just to make sure I'm not off track. Thanks!

You're going to vaguely warn me and then actually consider that kind of behavior? I've been in a lot of forums: If you want traffic, you have to basically quit trying to moderate everything and just let conversations flow the way they will. Ban spam, and advertising, death threats, etc. But trying to direct conversations just makes a forum boring. If you don't want thesits in your forum, then don't allow them.

You weren't "vaguely" warned. Again, you ignored what was written in favor of your own version of what was written. One more time, said in a different way:

If you are here to engage in actual honest discussion, then you don't have a problem. If you are not, then you will be shown the door. Doesn't matter if your are a theist or not. Same thing applies to everyone. 

As I said, you need to be convincing that you are here for the actual purpose you now claim, rather than to simply gather info that you can later use to post on your blog as some kind of "atheist failure" or who-knows-what. Because that's why I think you're here. Again, simple. Read no more into it than that, because that's all there is. Don't know how many ways I can say the same thing.

If you think you can do that, and not continue to dicker with me about it, you again, have no problem.

Clear enough?

[Too Few Lions]

Egor have you changed your approach to discussion on atheist forums? Your approach has seemed to have changed drastically as of late. Originally I couldn't stand reading your posts but now they seem like your actually trying to have some sort of conversation rather than aggravate people.

I'm starting to find anger self-defeating.

And I'm starting to see something I've never seen before, not just in the forums but in life as well: that if a person really is one with Christ, at some point, it has to start looking like it.

good on you Egor, anger is self defeating. From a non-Christian (or non-Veridican!) standpoint, there's an old saying that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I've never tried it in reality to find out if it's actually true or not, but it's a nice saying, and the metaphor works.

[Egor]

Egor have you changed your approach to discussion on atheist forums? Your approach has seemed to have changed drastically as of late. Originally I couldn't stand reading your posts but now they seem like your actually trying to have some sort of conversation rather than aggravate people.

I'm starting to find anger self-defeating.

And I'm starting to see something I've never seen before, not just in the forums but in life as well: that if a person really is one with Christ, at some point, it has to start looking like it.

If you've realized that walking the walk is just as or more important than talking the talk, I'd say you've got one up on others who pay their ideas lip service, but don't back those words up with action. Good stuff...

Thanks.

[Egor]

Isn't banning him exactly what he wants? Personally I think this guy should get the same treatment as the liar for Jesus instead of a ban. If he ramains a troll and douche (he will) then it becomes open season. Change his name, signature, etc... Mock him, make jokes about him, don't take him seriously (how could anyone, anyway?) but maybe he'll just run off on his own then and not get that weird satisfaction that he seems to enjoy from getting himself booted off of our forums.

But I'm no mod and wouldn't want to be. But if anyone is worthy of getting a no rules mockfest against him, I think it might be ol' eddy boy.

I understand where you're coming from here. I do. It's tempting to let this go that way. But one of the things that has helped make HAF a bit nicer over the long haul, like it or not, has been moderating a little bit more strictly than elsewhere. I don't love doing it, but it's necessary, or else, as Stevil mentioned, we are just like Raving Atheist.

I've been concerned, and have mentioned it to the other mods, that we've been letting too much of it go on recently. In other threads, I'm trying to keep the name calling down and even worthless threads themselves from being created. It's not popular.

I'll bring up your point with the other mods anyway, just to make sure I'm not off track. Thanks!

You're going to vaguely warn me and then actually consider that kind of behavior? I've been in a lot of forums: If you want traffic, you have to basically quit trying to moderate everything and just let conversations flow the way they will. Ban spam, and advertising, death threats, etc. But trying to direct conversations just makes a forum boring. If you don't want thesits in your forum, then don't allow them.

You weren't "vaguely" warned. Again, you ignored what was written in favor of your own version of what was written. One more time, said in a different way:

If you are here to engage in actual honest discussion, then you don't have a problem. If you are not, then you will be shown the door. Doesn't matter if your are a theist or not. Same thing applies to everyone. 

As I said, you need to be convincing that you are here for the actual purpose you now claim, rather than to simply gather info that you can later use to post on your blog as some kind of "atheist failure" or who-knows-what. Because that's why I think you're here. Again, simple. Read no more into it than that, because that's all there is. Don't know how many ways I can say the same thing.

If you think you can do that, and not continue to dicker with me about it, you again, have no problem.

Clear enough?

Well, not really. Because I don't know how you can command someone to be more convincing, or warn them into it. But I won't dicker with you about it anymore.

[Egor]

Egor have you changed your approach to discussion on atheist forums? Your approach has seemed to have changed drastically as of late. Originally I couldn't stand reading your posts but now they seem like your actually trying to have some sort of conversation rather than aggravate people.

I'm starting to find anger self-defeating.

And I'm starting to see something I've never seen before, not just in the forums but in life as well: that if a person really is one with Christ, at some point, it has to start looking like it.

good on you Egor, anger is self defeating. From a non-Christian (or non-Veridican!) standpoint, there's an old saying that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I've never tried it in reality to find out if it's actually true or not, but it's a nice saying, and the metaphor works.

Thanks.

Now as for this string, I'm ducking out. The final version of the Veridican Creed of Salvation is up on my blog for whoever wants to read it. I don't want to post it in here because I just want out of this thread and to move on to something else, and I'm not sure McQ's heart could take it. His finger is already shaking over the ban button.

So, Hasta for now.

[Too Few Lions]

I hope that's not the case (the big red button bit). I don't know if you've ever read any Rumi or other Sufi philosophy, your mystical monist take on Christianity reminds me a bit of their writings. Let us know how things go on the Christian forums when you post your creed on them.

[Stevil]

Now as for this string, I'm ducking out. The final version of the Veridican Creed of Salvation is up on my blog for whoever wants to read it. I don't want to post it in here because I just want out of this thread and to move on to something else, and I'm not sure McQ's heart could take it. His finger is already shaking over the ban button.

So, Hasta for now.

Running this through Stevil's Truth Translator (STT)
Now that I have raised my profile here and generated some discussion between myself and others, I need to move onto the next step of my cunning plan.

Step 2.
Rather than conclude this discussion here where I started it, I would like to continue this discussion on my own forum. This way people interested in this conversation will go onto my forum and thus generate some activity over there.

This is not the first time I have attempted this on the HAF, the first time is when I stated that I needed to concentrate on my book, and at that time told people interested in continuing a conversation with me that I would be available on my own forum. But that didn't seem to work so I came back to HAF, as I have done to other atheist forums (without having finished my book) in an attempt to get people onto my forum.

The excuses I use when leaving mid conversation are not contrary to my desire to be Christ like, because they are little white lies and hence don't really count as being dishonest or deceitful, I am sure JC will forgive me.

[Egor]

It's not that at all. If McQ says I can post the finished creed here, I'll do it, but I don't want to risk being banned for it. And the book is finished. It's a the printers now and I'm waiting for a proof copy before "announcing" it.

[Stevil]

It's not that at all. If McQ says I can post the finished creed here, I'll do it, but I don't want to risk being banned for it. And the book is finished. It's a the printers now and I'm waiting for a proof copy before "announcing" it.

Well, good for you Egor. That's quite an achievement, writing a book.

It is easy to continue being a HAF member though, just be civil to the other members.
Oh, and listen to the Admins, they are quite reasonable people.

[Stevil]

Stevil, I just want to say publically that even though you and I have discussed a couple other concepts we might disagree on/not understand each other's thoughts on.... this post of yours here REALLY made me smile. I loved it a lot. Especially the last paragraph. It's awesome.  Thank you!

Thanks Amicale, see, I'm not always a crazy disagreeable looney.
Sometimes, what I say does make coherent sense. 

Sometimes. 

On rare occasions. 


You, on the other hand, almost always make sense  . For that I pity you  , but have no doubt, if you stick around here long enough you will be able to break the thought walls within which your mind is trapped, just like me you will truly become a free thinker ???.

Ooops , sorry, don't mean to scare you off.

[Amicale]

Stevil, I just want to say publically that even though you and I have discussed a couple other concepts we might disagree on/not understand each other's thoughts on.... this post of yours here REALLY made me smile. I loved it a lot. Especially the last paragraph. It's awesome.   Thank you!

Thanks Amicale, see, I'm not always a crazy disagreeable looney.
Sometimes, what I say does make coherent sense.  

Sometimes.  

On rare occasions.  


You, on the other hand, almost always make sense  . For that I pity you  , but have no doubt, if you stick around here long enough you will be able to break the thought walls within which your mind is trapped, just like me you will truly become a free thinker ???.

Ooops , sorry, don't mean to scare you off.

I've never thought you were a crazy disagreeable loony. I like you. No, It's more like sitting down for coffee with someone, and them saying "I've got this idea most people don't understand, but here goes" and then taking the next long while to try and wrap your head around it. But you don't mind doing it, if you know the other person has some other ideas that are really great, that you can totally understand. That's how it is for me with you -- most of your ideas do make sense to me, I enjoy talking with you on here, it's just the odd one I can't wrap my head around but hey, I'll chalk that up to an issue with MY brain, not yours.

Diversity of opinion makes life more fun.